1/28/2012 10:18:58 AM
Meanwhile, here in the cause and effect universe inhabited by sane people...
"Western Civilization" didn't really begin to take its present form until the end of the Dark ages. This coincides with the rediscovery of the knowledge and wisdom of Ancient Greece and the Roman Empire. Oddly enough, this knowledge had been preserved by Persians and Arabs while our European ancestors were busy burning witches while living in mud huts. The Founding Fathers knew that.
That's why the Founding Fathers established a secular nation that was established in a way designed to avoid falling back into a dark age of ignorance and superstition. It wasn't enough for them to simply adopt a secular constitution. They were very careful to ensure that the only mention of religion in that document was exclusionary. They also left countless other documents that make it abundantly clear that no religion held sway in the new nation they had founded.
1/28/2012 10:19:11 AM
"It’s the same reason why you will find little or no mention in classroom history books of the role that churches played in the American Revolution or the fervent Christianity of most of the Founding Fathers."
The reason you won't find any mention of it is because it is a lie spread by the religious right. The Founders were mostly deists. Try reading the Jefferson Bible, you know, the one with all supernatural nonsense removed from it?
It is the same reason that the Capitol Visitor Center initially said that “E Pluribus Unum” was our national motto when it is actually “In God we Trust.”
In God we Trust was adopted as the United States motto during the commie scare of the early 1950s. You do your cause a disservice when you lie to try and convince people.
As for Academia being staunchly anti-God, it's more Academia ignoring God since there is little to no evidence anything in the Old Testament is verifiable. Sorry, Rabbi, but the Bible has no validity.
1/28/2012 10:19:21 AM
Oh the STUPID... /o\
No... It's Just because Hebrew isn't an Indo-European Germanic language. Spoken Yiddish is not so different from German* but it's written with the Hebrew alphabet.
And do I understand correctly this guy thinks:
That if Hebrew would be linguistically related to Germanic (and Indo-European) languages that would mean academic acceptance that those of Jewish faith (not even culture or ethnicity) did MORE for the world? Dude, do you suggest that being a Hungarian** means we didn't do anything? /Yeah. I'm joking. But my English isn't too good./
* I heard a friend speaking it and understood most of it knowing just German but maybe I got lucky too.
** Hungarian is an island language related to almost nothing in Europe.
1/28/2012 10:39:35 AM
On the other hand, it could simply be that Yiddish, as a blend of German, Hebrew, Aramaic and Slavic languages is better classified as an Indo-European Germanic language while pure Hebrew, a Semitic language, fits better into the Afroasiatic group where it's currently classified.
1/28/2012 10:40:11 AM
Yiddish is an Indo-European language. It's basically Middle High German with infusions of words from Hebrew, Aramaic, and the Slavic languages.
Hebrew is a Semitic language, part of a completely different family than the Indo-European languages.
1/28/2012 10:40:21 AM
If this guy were a real Jew, he'd know that Yiddish and Ladino are Indo-European languages but Hebrew is Semitic. He's a damned impostor.
1/28/2012 11:19:08 AM
"...or the fervent Christianity of most of the Founding Fathers."
We don't cover it because it didn't exist.
"It is the same reason that the Capitol Visitor Center initially said that “E Pluribus Unum” was our national motto when it is actually “In God we Trust.”"
"In God we Trust" is only 50 years old. Eisenhower broke tradition to distance ourselves from the atheist Soviet Union.
So... reality is anti-God, not education.
1/28/2012 11:28:41 AM
Why are you even taking offense to this? It's not like Indo-European languages are superior or anything. They're just languages.
1/28/2012 11:29:22 AM
I'll give you your answer:
1. Hebrew, to my knowledge, is not widely spoken in Europe outside of synagogues and Israeli embassies.
2. Even if it were, Hebrew is a Semitic language, not Indo-European Germanic.
1/28/2012 11:33:15 AM
Why it's Rabbit Daniel again.
Yiddish is a Germanic (with an admixture of some Hebrew words) languages which is written with the Hebrew alphabet. Fact.
Hebrew is a Semitic language, related to Aramaic, Assyrian, Syrain, Babylonian and Arabic. Hebrew is not a European language.
A magyar nyelv szép!
Some Rabbi(t) that wouldn't know that. A troll, perhaps?
1/28/2012 11:39:49 AM
"It’s the same reason why you will find little or no mention in classroom history books of the role that churches played in the American Revolution or the fervent Christianity of most of the Founding Fathers. It is the same reason that the Capitol Visitor Center initially said that “E Pluribus Unum” was our national motto when it is actually “In God we Trust.” We could give you example after example of similar selective omissions or misrepresentations that all share one common feature: Aggressive secularism and the flagrant attempt to undermine Judeo-Christian Biblical faith and obscure its vital role in the emergence of western civilization in general and and American civilization in particular. "
Pledge of Allegiance, 1924-1954:
'I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.'
issue $5 note:
In both cases, when you see it (or not
), you'll shit bricks. In any case...:
"The agenda was transparently clear. Academia has become staunchly anti-God and anything which suggests that Judaism and/or Christianity contributed to the world’s advancement or that there is validity to Biblical accounts is a threat to that position. Ideology trumps honest research and discourse whether in discussions of evolution or language."
'I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.'
'Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man'
'Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear
Your own history suggests otherwise.
No, 'Rabbi', you
are the demons with an agenda.
And then Danny-boy was an impotent fundie zombie.
1/28/2012 11:42:10 AM
Just to add to the linguistic discussion, let's be clear that the alphabet a language uses has little to no correlation to the languages from which it evolved. Case in point: Polish and Russian are both Slavic languages; the former uses the Roman alphabet while the latter uses the Cyrillic.
Most "western" languages trace themselves back to a hypothetical language known as Proto-Indo European. This one language is the common ancestor to Latin, Greek, Old Church Slavonic, Sanskrit, and Germanic. Hebrew and other Semitic languages are not related to this mega-family. Ditto for the Occidentals indigenous languages in Africa, Australia, and the Americas.
Only the Basque, Georgian, and Finno-Ugric (which includes Hungarian) families are geographically in the realm of Proto-Indo European but not derived from it.
1/28/2012 11:50:22 AM
Úgy igaz, szép nyelv! És többen beszélik mint hinnénk.
Being a troll would require more intelligence than this.
1/28/2012 11:53:25 AM
Does this idiot REALLY think that there is a conspiracy against religion because of this?! They don't arbitrarily assign languages to families. Hebrew looks and sounds NOTHING like an Indo-European language, because it isn't an Indo-European language! It is a Semitic language, and Lapin is a rabbi, so he must know this! Yiddish is listed as Indo-European because it was originally the form of German spoken by Ashkenazi Jews, but has since diverged enough to be considered its own language. I bet the good Rabbi here thinks that all Jews are Ashkenazim or something; Yiddish isn't even the only language traditionally spoken by European Jews.
Besides, I don't see how this can even be construed as an attack on Judaism. There is nothing inherently better about the Indo-European languages than any other. Is the rabbi a self-hating Jew, by any chance?
1/28/2012 12:02:42 PM
Once again bypassing history (as well as in this case, linguistics) and facts to say "WE'RE BEING PERSECUTED!!!!!!!!"
1/28/2012 12:08:51 PM
1/28/2012 12:21:43 PM
I looked the idiot up, and yes, he is a real rabbi (his whole family are rabbis ... the males, anyway) from a real Ashkenazi Jewish family.
Reading the full quote, I can only think Lapin thinks that Hebrew is the ancestor of all languages, and should therefore always be shown as such in language trees. He surely can't be ignorant enough to think Hebrew is an Indo-European language. Can he?
EDIT: One of his followers pointed out to Lapin that Hebrew isn't an IE language, hence why it wasn't on the chart, and to be fair Lapin acknowledged the mistake. Didn't retract any of the rest of the rant, though.
And, yeah, us Jews have always been so grateful for fervent Christianity. I mean, it's not like it ever caused us any trouble, is it?
1/28/2012 12:24:37 PM
I seriously doubt this guy is a Jew, much less a Rabbi. He sounds much more like a Christian fundie trying to stir up trouble.
1/28/2012 12:39:03 PM
Nope, sorry Sasha, he's a real Jew, a real rabbi and a real pain in the arse. Yeah, we got fundies too ... frummers, as we call them.
1/28/2012 12:45:53 PM
That's nice, but could you answer the question?
1/28/2012 12:54:41 PM
Isn't Hungarian related to Finnish, or something?
I've noticed that the majority of commenters on here seem to have some level of proficiency in more than one language. It kind of makes me envious (as if I weren't already). Yet more proof that American schools suck; very few people know more than one language here, and I have tried to learn other languages and never made much progress.
1/28/2012 1:13:41 PM
since a few comments above have already correctly explained that Yiddish is basically a German dialect, I won't bother repeating that, but I will take the opportunity of re-phrasing the original Q&A:
"Why aren't there any blue horses?"
"Because Obama is a pinko fascist gay Muslim and is fighting a war on religion."
That's about the same as what the Lapins wrote, right?
1/28/2012 1:31:17 PM
= POPE =
Wow. You're a lying idiot. Imagine that, another lying, self-serving idiot. If you insist on bullshitting the stupid people, please do it without the technology that exposes the rest of us to your nonsense.
"Ideology trumps honest research and discourse whether in discussions of evolution or language."
If that were still true, you would not have to resort to such petulant ranting and lies to try to make your point, would you?
1/28/2012 1:32:59 PM
Yiddish is originally from Rhineland German, as is Letzebuergisch (the language of Luxembourg). I was amazed to see a Christmas poster in Lux that said "Wir wunsch die eppes schein" (we wish you something wonderful) because it is very different from standard German, but exactly the same as Yiddish.
Hebrew is a Semitic language. Very close to Arabic, but nothing like German.
1/28/2012 1:43:03 PM