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#1363084
Pup
Right, because these claims haven't already been thoroughly debunked...
1/4/2012 5:11:56 AM
#1363093
Percy Q. Shunn
1/4/2012 5:37:22 AM
#1363094
Raised by HorsesAnother day, another fundie
PRATTfall.
1/4/2012 5:38:40 AM
#1363097
D Laurier
"The difference between boys who become homosexual and those who do not is not simply that the former were traumatized and the latter not."
Funny how that is refuted by myself and my freind Steven.
-I was raised in a dumping ground for unwanted children, we were beaten and raped almost daily by staff who considered us garbage.
-Steven was raised by loving parents who coddled him, and supported him in everything he tried to do.
I'm straight to the point of being boring as hell. and Steven is as gay as a whole drag queen navy on a lavender battleship.
1/4/2012 5:42:47 AM
#1363125
Doubting Thomas
This relationship should include rough and tumble play between father and son.
So when the child gets older and into his teen years, he can continue rough and tumble play like nude wrestling in the locker room which totally isn't gay.
1/4/2012 7:20:30 AM
#1363128
rebel
Explain all the straight kids who suffered abuse and all the gay ones who grew up in a loving home. I'm waiting! *crickets chirp* Well, that was a massive fail.
1/4/2012 7:29:17 AM
#1363129
Philbert McAdamia
1) My dad dropped me a couple times, and I was a sissy for not wanting to play that game anymore.
2) Crying = sissies.
5) My folks fought every night.
8) Yearly?
9) Parents need to teach children to forgive those who injure them
finally, we get to the heart of the matter; Mr. O'Leary seeks forgiveness, not being turned in.
What about the daddy showering naked with the boy, so he can see what makes a real man?
"Ever seen a grown man naked?" _______Peter Graves, Airplane
1/4/2012 7:42:32 AM
#1363132
Swede
1. Having a close male bond between father and son reduce the risk of the son having a close male bond later in life? Huh?
2. Many gay men are VERY masculine, stupid.
3. Why the mother, why not the father? Wouldn't the masculine father be the one to teach him to get over his fears and anxieties?
4. Do manhood and men deserve more respect than womanhood and women? If so, why?
5. How close up? Should he be able to observe his parents getting it on in the sack? Love between husband and wife can indeed be a beautiful thing, but so can love between wife and wife, or husband and husband, as well.
6. I had very few playmates when I was little, I turned out heterosexual regardless of that fact. But maybe loneliness is only dangerous for boys...
7. So, the children should NOT observe marriage activities close up? Good to know.
8. I agree whole-heartedly that children should not be molested by adults. This has nothing to do with heterosexuality or homosexuality, though.
9. You're utterly wrong! Correlation does not equal causation, stupid! The difference can be that the former had several older brother and the latter did not.
What about girls? Won't someone think of the girls?!?
1/4/2012 7:53:17 AM
#1363134
dionysus
I take it you've never heard of macho homosexuals which includes homosexual bodybuilders.
1/4/2012 7:58:11 AM
#1363145
Xotan
I can tick all 9.
I tried willing it away.
I'm 69 today (an interesting age!)
I'm still gay.
in other words, D. O'Leary is an idiot who hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
1/4/2012 8:23:13 AM
#1363146
Xotan
I can tick all 9.
I tried willing it away.
I'm 69 today (an interesting age!)
I'm still gay.
in other words, D. O'Leary is an idiot who hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
1/4/2012 8:26:13 AM
#1363150
Moondog
I don't play football, and I'm straight.
Homer Simpson took your advice, and decided to spend more time with Bart, so he wouldn't grow up gay. They went to the art museum. "Oh my God! The museum is full of gay people!!"
1/4/2012 8:32:16 AM
#1363177
rrpostal
And there's no reason to think that smoking is bad for your health. Welcome to the 1950's wing of the internet museum.
1/4/2012 9:35:56 AM
#1363184
Noneofyourbusiness
Homophobia and pseudoscience with a misogyny topping.
1/4/2012 9:52:43 AM
#1363192
There are many little girls who enjoy being thrown in the air and caught.
The rest of it, well we've all heard so many variants.
Homosexuality is a disease with one simple cause:
It's due to being too close to your moither.
It's due to having a cold, distant mother.
It's due to having a weak, effeminate father.
It's due to having a domineering, bullying father.
It's due to the Oedipus complex.
It's due to being an only child.
It's due to being the youngest in a large family.
It's due to masturbating.
It's due to looking at porn.
It's due to being a little prig who didn't laugh at sex jokes with the manly boys.
It's due to a homosexual first sexual experience.
It's due to having a traumatic, confusing heterosexual experience.
It's due to wishing you were a girl.
It's due to hating girls and being obsessed with big, strong, hairy men.
Et cetera ad nauseam.
They always trot out their neat "single causes" no matter how often they don't prove true.
1/4/2012 10:03:35 AM
#1363194
) So...family values = having the child favor one parent over the other? Also, as Swede points out, it's kinda backwards thinking that having the male child being close to his male superior is going to make the child straight. In fact, I've seen this kind of "logic" a lot among homophobic fundies, that having a boy playing tag with his male peers will make him attracted with girls, yet if he's playing tag with some girls, somehow that'll make him attracted to guys.
2) "Masculine identity". In my observance, there's no correlation between one's gender, and one's personality associated with said gender. In other words, your gender does not determine who you are, gender is just a random attribute just like everything else about a person's individuality. If a male acts "manly", or a girl acts "girly", it's just out of random coincidence, and does not "prove" that such personalities are associated with said genders.
3) Not that this is necessarily a bad suggestion, but why is the mother doing it, as opposed to perhaps both parents? Is it just me, or is O'Leary insinuating that having both parents interacting with the child somehow make the child gay?
1/4/2012 10:05:46 AM
#1363195
Continue'd from #1363194
4) Sounds more like a misogynistic advice then homophobic, but that's another story.
5) Fair enough, apart from the fact you think the "1 man + 1 woman" shtick has monopoly over love.
6) Because if he plays video games, or football with a girl, somehow it'll make him attracted to guys.
7) Know what? when O'Leary means "mother", I'm pretty sure he means women in general. So #4 IS a misogynistic advice, suggesting that he (the child) should get used to the idea that women were created for his ego. And likewise here, he's saying that women who dress provocatively will make male children be attracted to males...somehow...
8) He's suggesting this because he thinks a child being raped will make him gay. Not that this is bad advice, mind you, but more for reasons of "it'll make him gay", rather then "it'll harm him".
9) Smiler to #8: Good advice, but for the wrong reasons.
1/4/2012 10:06:26 AM
#1363196
FinalArbiterOfMyMorality
I have a cousin who grew up with all of those things. He's still gay
1/4/2012 10:08:46 AM
#1363202
Berny
Bullshit.
Piled high and deep.
1/4/2012 10:18:01 AM
#1363211
Thinking Allowed
1/4/2012 10:34:47 AM
#1363216
SomeoneYouKnow
1) I have a strained at best relationship with my biological father, I still have a sexual attraction to women. I remember that tossed in the air game, I also remember being dropped from in it as well...
2) There are straight males who cross dress and there are masculine gay guys. Also guess what, I enjoy cooking, a activity stereotypically associated with femininity that my mother taught me. So what? Go back a hundred years or so and you'll see that pink was a masculine color and blue a feminine one, culture is the only thing that determines what is feminine or masculine, not sexual orientation.
3) Why just the mother? Surely there would be more benefit from both parents.
4) I learned at an early age, that not all men are jerks like my father was (which I've resolved never to be like) on my own. Also, do women not deserve the same treatment of being respected?
5) Replace "husband and wife" with "spouses" because straights have no monopoly on love. I've seen more love with my friend and his partner raising a little girl they adopted and they'll anything to make her happy than I had in my crappy childhood.
6) I had few friends until middle school, but I turned out straight. Hell, I even had friends that were girls when I was four that I'm still friends with today.
7) Why should it only be the mother whose modest? Also, something tells me that you mean when you say anything relating to mothers or women, you really mean all women.
8) Okay here's where we agree. Children have the right to grow up without being molested by anyone (broken clock being right twice a day and all that.) However, even if a child is molested it won't change their sexual orientation.
9) Some good advice, though completely wrong conclusions were reached.
Now I'll ask because you never brought them up but what about lesbians? Or you can just admit to being a misogynic homophob.
1/4/2012 10:46:09 AM
#1363221
Ok, why didn´t men turn homosexuals in the second world war?, because what you wrote there is BULLSHIT.
1/4/2012 11:11:22 AM
#1363239
\m/>_<\m/
cross-dressing male here: i may be a lot of things (including romantic asexual) but i'm not gay. unless i fall in love with a guy, but since i don't like sex, you'll just see it as "best buddies" won't you? [trope = heterosexual life partners]
anyway, you've got serious issues man. compensating for something?
speaking of cross-dressing: if that guy sees a guy wearing an ankle length skirt, does he find him gay? (rhetorical, think jesus, moses, peter...)
1/4/2012 11:45:21 AM
#1363282
Mayhem
It's interesting that a couple of these ways to keep a boy from being gay involve something at least superficially homoerotic.
1/4/2012 1:23:31 PM
#1363288
Agahnim
No.
1/4/2012 1:30:07 PM
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