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(On whether natural miscarriage justifies abortion.)

Even in atheist fever swamps, the belief that the natural occurrence of an act justifies the intentional commission of an act has rarely if ever been accepted. Even Stalin (a faithful atheist) didn't justify the Holodomor by asserting 'Hey, a lot of Ukranians die naturally, so what's the problem with starving a few million of them?'. Even atheists aren't so depraved as to invoke natural death to justify intentional killing. Except, it seems, in the abortion debate.

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The afterlife will bring good that justifies the bad. If we are to understand the whole of good and evil, we must consider the eternity of man's existence. If a miscarried child enjoys eternity in heaven with God, then the net effect of the miscarriage is good, not evil.

Michael Egnor, Egnorance 73 Comments [11/7/2011 8:15:24 AM]
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#1347167

OhJohnNo

Well... good for the baby, I guess?

11/7/2011 8:20:30 AM

#1347174

Doubting Thomas

If a miscarried child enjoys eternity in heaven with God, then the net effect of the miscarriage is good, not evil.

So then what's the problem with abortion?

11/7/2011 8:33:37 AM

#1347177

Mad_Jester

But according to your own Big Book o' Skydaddy, anybody who isn't baptized and hasn't accepted Jebus CAN'T go to heaven. Miscarried babies can't have been baptized and certainly lack the cognitive development necessary to make a philosophical/ spiritual distinction like that, so according to your holy book, those little 'uns is a-roasting on Satan's barbecue.

Good of you to provide that first paragraph's worth of word salad to go with the 'cue, though. (Also, what the discount-bin FUCK is an 'atheist fever swamp'?)

11/7/2011 8:35:13 AM

#1347183

Brain_In_A_Jar

In your own world-view, all "natural" deaths are according to your god's own intention. That doesn't sit well with your condemnation of intentional killing; in fact, you just unwittingly denounced your own deity as immoral.

11/7/2011 8:44:14 AM

#1347189

Philbert McAdamia

>> Even Stalin (a faithful atheist)... <<

Faithful atheist?

Fundies. Tsk tsk tsk.

11/7/2011 8:54:39 AM

#1347191

Mister Spak

"Even in atheist fever swamps . . ."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/18/health/trial-malaria-vaccine-africa/index.html

Can you do that with your big book'o'stories?

"Even Stalin (a faithful atheist)"

Stalin was a seminary student. He's one of yours, as you can tell from the number of people he's killed.

" If a miscarried child enjoys eternity in heaven with God, then the net effect of the miscarriage is good, not evil. "

11/7/2011 8:59:30 AM

#1347197

Bollox

Stalin was a seminary student. He's one of yours,

Don't descend to their level. Stalin was indeed an atheist. Doesn't say anything about atheism.

11/7/2011 9:07:16 AM

#1347215

Atheissimo

'Even Stalin (a faithful atheist)'

What has this got to do with anything? Unless of course you're saying that any murder can be blamed on a person's faith (or lack of it). In which case, Christianity is almost certainly responsible for the majority of deaths in history. Dosen't look such a good argument when you follow it to the conclusion, does it?

11/7/2011 9:33:14 AM

#1347220

aaa

Lazy pro-life argument number 37346.

11/7/2011 9:38:42 AM

#1347221

The Catholic Church's anti-abortion stand is a sexually self serving one, they need more children to service their priest's raging relics.

Christians, protectors of the unborn and rapists of the living.

11/7/2011 9:42:22 AM

#1347223

Rebellion Dog

All babies should be killed, at the latest, immediately after birth, to insure they go to hebun.

11/7/2011 9:48:43 AM

#1347224

Osiris

So abort babies so they can skip the line to Jesus.

11/7/2011 9:49:31 AM

#1347237

Smurfette Principle

So if miscarriages are good because the babies go to Heaven, what's the problem with abortion?

11/7/2011 10:12:33 AM

#1347238

John

If a miscarried child enjoys eternity in heaven with God, then the net effect of the miscarriage is good, not evil.

Except that Jesus said you have to be baptized to get into heaven.

11/7/2011 10:12:54 AM

#1347244

Berny

We only have your unproven assertion that man will enjoy an eternity of existence, so the entirety of your argument is moot.
If your unproven assertion turns out to be true, why is abortion wrong?

11/7/2011 10:18:55 AM

#1347245

nazani14

@John The clever capitalist will figure out how to produce pre-blessed lube, so that every sperm and fertilized egg can indeed be saved.

11/7/2011 10:21:21 AM

#1347246

Mister Spak

@Bollox:

"Don't descend to their level. Stalin was indeed an atheist"

I recomend decending to their level regularly.
I don't have to reach down so far to hit them. It's also fun to have them complain about my dishonest tactics so I can describe how I'm doing exactly what they just did to me.

11/7/2011 10:21:42 AM

#1347250

TGRwulf

You sir fail for comparing a fetus to full grown adults and kids.

11/7/2011 10:27:56 AM

#1347263

so how exactly is the net effect of an abortion anything but good, since it send them to paradise and prevents any chance of the baby turning from God during its life?

11/7/2011 10:49:14 AM

#1347266

RapturedbyBlondie

Net of gratuitous Stalin references, the first part actually makes sense. In a reasonable, god-free discussion of abortion, the natural occurrence of something would not be any kind of justification.

Of course, if skydaddy enters the debate, any natural event is his responsibily, and can't be wrong. So goodbye morality.

11/7/2011 10:51:45 AM

#1347270

Panz

Abortion is ok when God does it!!!

11/7/2011 10:57:59 AM

#1347272

katie5000

If a miscarried child enjoys eternity in heaven with God, then the net effect of the miscarriage is good, not evil.

Yes, but wouldn't an aborted child also get to spend eternity in Heaven with God? After all, neither miscarriage nor abortion is the fault of the fetus. So, by that logic...

Miscarriage and abortion are basically two terms for the same outcome. It's just that one describes arriving there unintentionally while the other describes arriving there deliberately.

11/7/2011 10:59:41 AM

#1347277

jesusaur

@ Panz

"And when he hath made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed." (Numbers 5:27-28)

11/7/2011 11:09:48 AM

#1347280

Even Stalin (a faithful atheist)

Faithful atheists, is that like gay heterosexuals?

11/7/2011 11:14:30 AM

#1347284

Hey guys, look at the name of the website this quote came from. Egnorance. To me, it's either a combination of ego and ignorance, or the OP's name and ignorance. Fitting, isn't it?

11/7/2011 11:19:35 AM

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