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"Standard marketing bullshit. Nothing special."
It's sad that when we see this kind of hate-filled letter, our first response is "Nothing special."
It's even sadder that you're right. For these freaks, it's just another day in the office.
During Reagan's presidency the first openly gay couple spent a night together in the White House. In a column for The Washington Post on March 18, 1984, Robert Kaiser described the sleep-over: "[The Reagans'] interior decorator, Ted Graber, who oversaw the redecoration of the White House, spent a night in the Reagans' private White House quarters with his male lover, Archie Case, when they came to Washington for Nancy Reagan's 60th birthday party. . . . Indeed, all the available evidence suggests that Ronald Reagan is a closet tolerant."
Your move, FRC.
I can perfectly imagine George Washington telling school children that it's okay to own slaves.
I have nothing to say about the Reagan worship, because there's nothing to say about it.
So rather than reassuring young gay people that life will get better, it's preferable to ridicule and bully them into suicide?
Oh right, your type would probably be happy at one less gay person in the world.
I am indeed shocked, at your insensitivity towards young people who are already vulnerable. You want to tell them that something they can't help makes them immoral and disgusting. Mr Obama wants to tell them that they can't help how they were born, that it's OK to be who you are as long as you don't harm other people, and that as people get used to the idea of their sexuality it WILL get better.
Telling someone that it's OK to be left-handed or tall is not to recruit people into left-handedness or tallness.
Homosexuality is morally wrong? Tell me, who exactly is hurt by two people who just happen to be the same gender loving each other? Nobody was the correct answer. You'd think you fundies would be more concerned with murders, rapists, and thieves. Also, you honestly think it's okay for the homosexual youth to be tormented and bullied?! Please DIAF.
"Can you imagine.....or any other president telling schoolchildren that it's okay to be immoral...."
What about Holy Republican Richard M. Nixon, who stated that the president was effectively above the law? And then acted in accord with that viewpoint. I wonder what happened to him? Oh yes. He was impeached and should have gone to jail, only the next president, a Satanic Democrat, gave him a presidential pardon... Carter, you idiot!
There's a lot I'd like to say, only 'expletive deleted'!
Why is telling people that "it gets better" and helping them to understand that suicide is not the answer a bad thing? Would you rather them all kill themselves you disgusting piece excuse of a human?
Regarding the part in the bold:
Yes I can see Washington telling school children it's okay to own slaves, after all he was a slave owner himself. I'll never understand the Reagan worship of conservatives. After all, debt increased under Reagan, the "trickle down economics" failed spectacularly, and he committed high treason in the infamous Iran Contra Affair.
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@ Xotan:
You're wrong, it was Gerald Ford (a Republican) who pardoned Nixon after becoming President due to the fact that he was VP when Nixon resigned, not Carter.
Fuck off, asshole! These videos are aimed at gay teens in an effort to prevent them from considering suicide as an option. I don't care what you believe or how much you hate gays (that you've never fucking even met), preferring that gays commit suicide all because of your ideology and bigotry passes the moral event horizon and makes you a complete monster. You have no business interacting with other adults who are far more mentally mature than you.
I can imagine this guy sitting on the end of a bed, letting out a sigh as a single tear slides down his cheek for all those in Washington who "[hate] Christians and [their] values."
Then I can imagine him putting on his hood and grabbing his noose, and getting back to the lynching.
How dare you compare Reagan to Washington. This is an outrage. At this rate, I am beginning to think that, if the Tea Party gets any more power, the coming decades will claim the year 1980 and the election of Reagan as the beginning of the end of American democracy.
And the It Gets Better videos are meant to tell those of the LGBT orientations that they should not kill themselves, because bullying lets up after school ends, and there are many non-heterosexuals who have gone on to live productive and successful lives. You are actually arguing against a series of anti-suicide videos, Mr. Perkins? My God...
The "It Gets Better" videos are aimed at children who are LGBT or simply perceived as such who are being ruthlessly bullied to the point where they are at risk of KILLING THEMSELVES! President Obama and Dan Savage are against young people being bullied to death! I want to believe that you just don't understand this fact, because if you do and think that the teenagers should be left to be victimized until they end their own lives, I'm ashamed to share a species with you. Stop hiding behind religion to spread your hate like that makes you the good guy!
He is against the "It gets better" project?
That practically means he is pro-bullying!
Can someone explain why homosexuality is "immoral" again?
EDIT: @ RaisedByHorses
You DO know that at that point, the main segregationists were the bad half of the Democratic Party called the "Dixiecrats", right?
Could you imagine Reagan, Washington or whoever encouraging bullying?, I thought it was considered inmoral but, in any case, since bullying blacks was not considered inmoral until well in the eighties, I guess you see no problem.
Last time I checked the President was supposed to act on behalf of all segments of the US population not just the heterosexual ones. And while Mr Perkins and his group of sycophantic supplicants may consider homosexuality "immoral" there is an equally large and growing segment of the population that buy into and indeed reject that backward and outdated view. Contrary to Perkins assertion, there is nothing about the "It Gets Better" campaign or the Obama's contribution to it that is intended or can even be construed as intending to "recruit" children into any kind of lifestyle. It is a message of hope for those who have suffered abuse, both physical and emotional from those who espouse the very same beliefs and sentiments as Perkins and the FRC.
I am literally raging so hard at this. I am shaking, my teeth are clenching, and I am resisting the powerful urge to drive my fist into the computer screen. Anyone who endorses this is a sick person who needs to be sterilised.
Oh no, telling disaffected teenagers life will get better IS THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD! Well Tony, do your "Christian" duty and let them know life sucks, and if it doesn't suck enough, you will make it worse. Hallelujah!
Careful, your bigotry is showing! Yup, it's hanging out all over the place. You know, no one wants to see that.
"Can you imagine George Washington, Ronald Reagan, or any other President telling school children that it's okay to be immoral gay and they'll eventually feel better about it?"
Not really, but that doesn't mean nobody should.
"Can you imagine George Washington, Ronald Reagan, or any other president telling school children that it's okay to be immoral and that they'll eventually feel better about it?"
Actually, Ronald Reagan did exactly that, when he went on in-school cable to tell (i.e., attempt to brainwash) kids all over the country about the supposed virtues of slashing taxes for the rich and other right-wing policies, even though he damn well knew those policies were to the detriment of those kids, their parents, and the whole country. You people never complained about that.
But of course, when Obama made HIS address to the kids, even though his talk was solely about staying in school, getting a good education and being good citizens, you pulled your kids out of class, and many schools even made parents sign permission slips to allow their kids to see the video.
@ #1323844
Thank you for the correction. It was, of course, Ford. I'm not American so my knowledge of the detail in the succession of presidents can be a bit off.
BTW, why don't you use a pseudonym like most people here? It makes life easier for all.
Does anyone else think it's fitting that the head of this organization shares the same name as the man who embodied the title Psycho?
(although the actor, I'm told, was quite nice...)
I hate these videos . Simply because it does NOT get better after high school . I was bullied in 7th grade (and no I'm not gay , that's the other thing that irritates me , bullied = gay nowadays) and to this day I don't trust anyone. I'm 30 years old and I know I will spend all my life alone .
Kids I have sad news. You see, it doesn't get better. You're being bullied now? Well guess what? You're going to be bullied over something you can't control for the rest of your life, and it's all thanks to people like Tony Perkins. They are hell bent on ensuring you will never have a happy and rewarding life with the person you love. If you try to help people who are in the same position as you they will call you a monster. I'm not saying we should kill people like Tony Perkins, but the world would be a vastly better place if they all died horribly in a fire.
And no, I can't ever imagine Ronald Reagan ever accepting gay people. I can imagine Ronald Reagan staring in propaganda pieces that were played in public schools and taught kids that all gay people were child molesters and criminals because that's what he did. Fuck Ronald Reagan, he was a shitty President and an even worse role model.
@Skatepunk
Dems can be just as stupid as Reps, you say? Why, I'm shocked. Positively shocked .
My point is (and this is hardly new, but it's woth restating), some people are simply determined to be on the wrong side of history. It was true for blacks' struggle for civil rights in America, and it's true for the LGBT community's struggle today. Ultimately, they will only serve as an impediment, but as such, they will use any dirty tricks and cheap emotional appeals that they possibly can.
It's getting to be particularly embarrasing in American political rhetoric where anything one doesn't like is either Communism or "Cultural Marxism".
Reagan never openly stated that he was against gay rights. However, he was against the proposed ban on gay public school teachers or anyone who supported gay rights. He also didn't believe that homosexuality should be a punishable crime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Ronald_Reagan
Oh, wow, this fucknugget is bitching about the It Gets Better vids?
Well let me tell you this, douchebag -- it's people like you who make things like the IGB campaign necessary. Opposing videos that tell kids not to kill themselves and to accept who they are? That's twisted and wrong.
As for noty -- II'm sorry if your life sucks, but insisting that no ones life will ever get better does the entirety of our species a grave disservice.
Osiris -- But does it always have to be that way? The point is surviving, and maybe the world will change, that homophobia won't run as rampant as it does today. Saying that it won't get better ensures that it won't, because it's tantamount to giving up.
For me, the only good thing about this letter is that I know these guys are losing-and they know it, too. Within the next decade or so, gay marriage will probably be in all 50 US states (it can be hard to get things passed in the US due to all 50 states trying to have a say in rulings like this).
For me the best revenge against guys like this wouldn't be just winning, necessarily, but seeing him rage against all the non-ignorant young people, as he holds his cardboard signs on the street now that his views are fading into irrelevancy because we've discovered that people who are gay, bisexual or transgender are gasp! people too!
Seriously, I would be afraid of two people of the same sex waving around guns in the middle of the street rather than kissing. I doubt Mr. Perkins feels the same way.
Mudak : I've heard the same, and ironically Psycho seems to have hurt his career as he was typecast as people thought he was more like that than his real-life personality.
And the actor himself, more ironically, seems to have been bisexual or possibly even a closet gay man, which would be sad in itself. Of course, that's according to Wikipedia.
Right, not wanting kids who are bullied for being gay to commit suicide is bad? Only depraved fucks could think that. Really, these people don't seem to have any issue with kids and suicide because they refuse to do anything about it. They blame the "gay lifestyle" and not their own hatred and prejudice. They'll just keep pounding it into kids how awful they are for feeling an attraction to the same sex, no matter how many are hurt.
Talk about Christian love. And they say the GLBT people are the ones who want to hurt and "indoctrinate" young people. Rich.
@ Noty :
I'm sorry you feel that way. I, too, was bullied in high school not for being gay but for being smarter than the bullies, slightly over-weight, and too poor to wear the latest fashions.
It did get better as soon as I went to college, where I made some lifelong friendships. (Well, I assume lifelong, since these friendships are still going strong 30+ years later). I was 32 years old when I met my mate, and our committed relationship has remained intact for nearly 22 years so far.
Of course, if you face every new potential relationship thinking about negative things from the past and are unwilling to move forward and allow yourself to be a friend, I can see why you feel you'11 always be alone.
Wait, wait ... I thought Anthony Perkins was gay? I mean, he came out a couple years before he ... died ... ... ... Never mind.
(LoL)
And yeah, that nasty President of yours - trying to make gay/lesbian/bullied kids in general kids feel better! Where does he get off reaching out to the youth of the U.S. anyways? The noive.
Isn't it funny that this guy's name is Tony Perkins? He's just as "Psycho" as a character played by ANOTHER Tony Perkins (who was gay).
And what is it with these NeoCon Fundy nuts with names similar to more Progressive folks?!.....
NORMAL ---------- NUTBALL
Anthony Perkins = Tony Perkins
Phil Donahue = Bill Donahue
John Kennedy = John F. Kennedy
etc. etc. etc.....
It's really confusing.
"Can you imagine George Washington, Ronald Reagan, or any other president telling school children that it's okay to be immoral and that they'll eventually feel better about it?"
Yeah. So many adult people were told that George Dumbya Bush was the best thing for America, financially. They eventually felt better about it.
After they'd voted 'Democrat' in those booths in late 2008, in revenge for losing their homes, jobs etc.
Carter: Surplus. Ford: Debt . Raygun: Debt . Bush I Debt . Clinton: Surplus. Dumbya: Debt . There's a pattern forming here.
There's a reason why the phrase 'It's the Economy , stupid!' exists in US politics. One word: Priorities.
...oh, and another four words: Newt Gingrich. Multiple divorcee.
I love the smell of annihilated arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.
Not only is he an evil douche for objecting to a video series intended to stop teen suicides, he irritates the he'll out of me for trying to shoehorn "transgender" in as well. For most trans people, it certainly does NOT get better because living openly also makes them huge targets for discrimination and violence.
People like Tony Perkins are writing a bully's charter. They are school bullies who never grew up and are annoyed they can no longer make the 'different kid's' life a misery. They want to carry on pushing and bullying until they cause the victim to top themselves. Like all bullies they don't deserve to breath the same air as normal, together people.
As for noty, I was bullied at school (back in the 1970s) because I was very small and physically slow and quick minded and loved by my parents and it got so bad that my Mum had to threaten the headmistress with legal action unless she put a stop to it. Leaving school was the best thing ever did.
And, 32 years later I am not fully over it. I think bullies should be identified and hanged from lampposts and if I heard the ringleader of the bullies who picked on me was dead I would cheer. But it does get better. I have got a much younger girlfriend and a small but active social life but even now I expect someone to say something hateful to me.
The only advice I can give is although you see the face of the bullies every time someone gets close, no one will hurt you anymore and most people are OK.
I hate people like Tony Perkins, who are either really stupid or really good liars.
You have no idea what those videos are about, do you? There's nothing "evil" about them, except to assholes like you who can't accept the basic fact of life that there are people in the world who aren't 100% like you.
There's nothing "immoral" about loving someone, you fucking prick. You're living in a delusion created inside your own head, Tony, and I really wish you'd jump in front of a train or something.
@RaidedByHorses
50 years ago, the Dixiecrats (bad Dems) WERE as stupid as an embarassingly large amount of the Reps today.
But I understand what you are trying to say. Some people do insist on being on the wrong side of history, claiming they are righteous.
"If you've not yet heard about this true story, get ready to be shocked....."
....Tony Perkins was born!
OH MY GAAAWWWDDD!!! THE HORROR! THE HORROR!
I think what offends me the most about this disgusting letter is that it's being used to RAISE MONEY. Because teenagers killing themselves is just an opportunity to make a buck, right? Drink cyanide, Tony.
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