"A secular organization has a tough time discriminating, but a church needs to have the right to discriminate."
I see. So only churches should be allowed to discriminate against people who are "homosexuals"? It needs that right? Sure why not? Let's all just set our clocks back two thousand years, or six thousand so we can ride dinosaurs. Wing. Nut.
It also looks like you have a powerful Gaydar ability. You know, most people with Gaydar are gay, right? So it begs the question: If you are so against gays, is it because you too want to experience the joy of down-dirty-hair-pulling-loud-monkey sex with another man, David? Sure looks that way to me. Don't forget a condom, gays wouldn't want to get your "Straight" cooties. Ass. Hole.
8/8/2011 5:07:14 AM
"Now that's a great statement and that's a statement Jesus teaches to show the inviolability of contracts between employers and employees. "
Also Jesus was opposed to environmental regulations and unions.
8/8/2011 5:27:05 AM
So, in other words, you want the right to only have white, straight, Christian men working for you and everyone else can go to hell. Which is exactly why the government needs to regulate hiring practices.
8/8/2011 6:06:33 AM
Raised by Horses
"Also Jesus was opposed to environmental regulations and unions."
Oh, so that's why he burned down that fig tree.
8/8/2011 6:20:03 AM
When someone tells me they are homosexual or lesbian, they act like many of us straights: they enjoy what they enjoy, be it surfing, tabletop rpgs, role playing in general, tattoos or piercings. Also did you just endorse discrimination?
8/8/2011 8:33:51 AM
WHY IS THIS FUNDIE INDEX SO LOW?! This should be in the Top 100! First, it David Barton, that blight on the United States, saying it. Second, he quotes a Biblical parable out of context to support his reactionary-cum-fascism. Third, he is justifying discrimination. The fundies just want to persecute gays, and after they succeed, persecute the blacks, and after they succeed, persecute the women, and so on and so forth. This country was founded on the principle of freedom for all. There is no place for any bigotry in government policy, to paraphrase Jefferson. Since Barton is single-handedly responsible for disseminating the lie that the Founders were fundamentalists, he is ruining their good name and making it even easier for the right-wingers to peddle their despicable lies. This country would have been a much better place if David Barton had never been born. Fuck him and anyone who even looks like him!
8/8/2011 8:49:41 AM
If it was up to this asshole and others like him feudalism and slavery would still be the rage as long as they made the land owner or factory owner money.
I figure Mr. A.H. here doesn't want to pay his people any more than he wants to pay his taxes. I've worked for these guys, always chiseling.
8/8/2011 8:59:54 AM
Way to miss the point - and I mean entirely - of that parable.
8/8/2011 9:22:13 AM
It's fine if you only want Christians working on your church staff. That makes sense. That's okay. Nobody's going to force you to hire non-Christians for your church staff. It's only unfair discrimination if the person's religious beliefs have no bearing on their ability to do the job in question.
Similarly, a director casting a movie who needs a black guy for a given role is allowed to only accept black people for the role. It's okay, because it's genuinely relevant to the person's ability to do the job in question.
Of course, the fact that you completely miss the point the parable was making there is HILARIOUS. I almost missed that. That's amazing.
8/8/2011 11:32:52 AM
N. De Plume
Originally posted by David Barton
Now discrimination today is always a bad word a hundred percent of the time, but it simply means making a choice between or making a difference between.
8/8/2011 11:33:21 AM
I see mister Barton is no longer satisfied with revising American history, and he now must revise Biblical parables.
8/8/2011 12:35:59 PM
David Barton completely misses the point of the parable of the workers in the vineyard. This parable is meant to illustrate that no matter how late in life you convert to Christianity, you will still be welcomed as equal in heaven.
Barton demands that churches do and should have a right to pick their staff based on the prospective employees' sexuality.
The courts are unanimous on that issue:
Some courts have ruled that in accordance with the First Amendment employment for ministers is to be determined by the church alone. State or federal employment laws do not apply to church employees who perform a religious function.
This means that racist, homophobe, no-female-priesthood church has the right to tell a black, lesbian woman she doesn't get to be a minister, for exactly those reasons.
Does the freedom of clerical self-determination as outlined in the First Amendment take precedence over non-discrimination in employment as described in the Civil Rights Act (of 1964)?
Barton fears, that once homosexuals will be granted equal protection under the law, his church may not turn homosexuals down for a minister's job.
8/8/2011 8:30:15 PM
I second that QED.
8/8/2011 10:43:03 PM
and here i thought that the guy thought the parable meant: i can fuck over any employee by not paying them, but the contract states that they have to work for me.
a church has the right to discriminate: imagine a protestant priest in a catholic church: he'd get the sermons wrong! basically, if you're hiring, make sure the guy is of the same faith IF relevant, and methinks the stated reason is the only one. who cares if the janitor's a mormon, all floors are washed the same
8/9/2011 4:00:20 AM
And as he hired them he make a contract with them that said you'll work for this much or whatever and throughout the day he hired people and he made individual contracts with them and at the end of the day when he is paying them all off, the guy who got hired first said "wait a minute, that's not fair" and [the landowner] said "time out, we had a contract, didn't we? You agreed to work for a certain wage ... you should have gone down the street and found somebody else to work for that would have paid you different, but you agreed to work for that wage." And Jesus makes a great statement in Matthew 20: 15 where he says "don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money?"
8/9/2011 6:34:38 PM
However, if they discriminate against Christians, it´s always bad?. Be careful when you open a can of worms and the slippery slope. And the Golden Rule, for that matter.
8/10/2011 1:23:29 AM
Poor me!, all my life the nuns taught me that it was a parable about the Kingdom of Heaven and now this idiot has to make revisionism.
8/10/2011 1:25:47 AM
8/10/2011 7:04:31 AM
Even if your bullshit interpretation is true, I am calling you out on trying to base public policy on the "teaching" of a fictional character. Evidence that Jesus existed and was some sort of diety or just shut the fuck up and let the grown ups handle public policy, ok you fucking twat?
8/10/2011 7:44:00 AM
BARTON! Get back to work!
*whips David Barton*
It's against our agreed contract for you to talk. ALSO, you're not allowed to complain about the whipping! NOW GET BACK TO WORK, LOWLY PEASANT!
8/12/2011 5:04:07 PM
Everyone needs to remember this lying fucker is who Mike Huckabee thinks your children should be forced to listen to at gun point (actual quote).
8/13/2011 9:14:33 PM