My guess - my hope - is that the parents recognize this perversity as more destructive than shooting heroin, and out of love and concern say something like:
"Son/daughter, we love you, and we hate to see you choose this path. We've tried to help you overcome this problem, and will always be here to help some more. But we can not and will not permit this to go on while you live under our roof. We may not be able to prevent you from destroying your life, but we will not let you destroy the rest of this family in the process."
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"Son/daughter, we hate you because you've discovered something about yourself we cannot accept. We've tried and failed to force you to conform to our outdated standards of sexuality and we'll always be here to push more ex-gay therapy on you . But, you disgust us, get out . We may not be able to make you obey our idiotic whims but we can make you understand your parents are shitty, shitty assholes who deserve neither your love, respect, or honor .
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No matter how I look at it, people who grow up with parents like this have got to be some of the most unlucky people on the planet.
Its not like you can just say fuck you and move on and forget them. their your family, & not many people have the balls to respond in kind when its your own parents feeding you bullshit like this.
you know what tears up a fucking family? this bullshit. blame the kids for being gay all you want, but they were just being truthful. your the one who had to be a fucktard and completely and utterly reject them. THAT is what destroys a family.
Homosexuality isn't any more destructive than heterosexuality. The analogy with doing drugs makes no sense.
Of course, apparently fundie ideology is destructive if it tears families apart.
A guy from my high-school class was thrown out by his bigot parents when he declared his homosexuality, they disinherited him and started to tyrannize and bully him. With the whole spectrum from emotional blackmail up to open threats.
He did the best possible revenge: He got a court order forbidding them any contact, studied engineering, has a good-paying job now, and has married a really good-looking hispanic (same-sex marriage AND interracial marriage ... oh the HORROR for his parents!). He is living a happy, fulfilled life, both with a lot of fun and responsibility.
The only persons that have destroyed their lifes are his parents, who still reproach themselves how ever such "deadly sin" could have entered their family. But thats their problem. My friend simply doesn't care about his bigot parents anymore. They have destroyed their lifes, and have not managed to destroy my friends life.
Thats the best revenge you can do to such crappy people: Ban them from your life completely, and choose to have a happy life instead.
Homosexuality is only destructive to families because you maintain the prejudice against gay people. If you actually learn to accept your son for who he is, then you'll discover that absolutely nothing will change in your family.
So it's not homosexuality that destroys families, but the bigoted, hate filled reactions from fundamentalists. But you won't accept the fact that its your beliefs, not your son, that are destroying your family, so you just project it all onto him.
Christian love, doesn't it just make you sick?
This shit boils my blood. What tears up the family is the fucking ignorant hatred and rejection from supposed parents. Yeah, no, you don't love your child one damn bit, you hate their very existence.
I'm queer and thank my lucky stars that my parents kept their thoughts to themselves, and would love to raise a gay or lesbian child with all the love and devotion a child deserves from their guardian.
Homosexuality is not a matter of choice! If you do not accept this then you are unlikely to be able to give your children unconditional love. So much for your parenting. You are a failure as a parent. You proabably should never have had children to start with. The child cannot but suffer severely, psychologically with cruel and idiotic parents such as Lears Fool. What a well chosen pseudonym!
Actually, it is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being as destructive as shooting heroin.
First, gay sex has no chance of getting someone pregnant (unless a gay man decides to have sex with a woman for some reason, but that's beside the point.)
Second, while gay men are more likely to spread STDs than heterosexuals, the difference is very small. And lesbians have even less of a chance than heterosexuals.
Finally, what happened to your "family values"? Despite religious differences, you should try to make it work. My grandmother raised all her kids Catholic, my uncle became a Protestant. My grandmother was disappointed at first, but she still loved him, and even went to the Protestant church to watch her grandson get baptised.
So what you're saying is to kick your kids out of the house if they're gay. Good to see that Christian love I hear about so much.
I'm reminded of that joke:
Father: So what exactly do you gays do?
Gay son: You know all those things you wish Mom would do but doesn't?
My guess - my hope - is that the parents recognize this as nothing they can change, and out of love and concern say something like: "Gee, we're sorry we probably won't get grandchildren, but, hey, we love you anyway, so why don't you and your, uh, what do we call him/her? ... your 'friend'? ... come to dinner next Sunday?"
I'm guessing this is about homosexuality. It's sad when they don't even have to mention it.
No surprises. This guy would say drinking nuclear waste is less destructive than homosexuality if it meant promoting further demonization.
If you really "loved" your kids, you wouldn't treat them like shit for something they didn't choose, and which harms no one. Also, you've obviously never seen what heroin does to people.
You know what? If you loved them, you'd realize that your children are supposed to live their own lives, and what they do isn't any of your business.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling that this is the way my parents would react. And I blame fundie Christianity.
I was 19 years old when I had my first child and at the time was also a conservative christian. This kind of thinking is part of what drove me away from christianity. The entire time I was growing up I heard negative things about homosexuals and could never quite make the hateful rhetoric I had heard work with the reality of what I had learned by spending some time with gay and lesbian friends. The gay/lesbian people I have known have been beautiful, compassionate people.
When my son was a baby I never once looked at him and said, "Sure you're all cute and everything, and I love you right now, but if you ever tell me you're gay, that's it. I'm done with you." What I told him was that there was never anything he could do that would make me lose my love for him, it was forever and without conditions. I knew he didn't understand me at the time, but he knows it for sure now. He just turned 23 and we are so close - I couldn't imagine pissing the awesome relationship I have with my son away because he came out to me.
Sometimes my fellow humans confound me.
Screw you. When my brother came out (as an adult), my mom said to him, "You're still the same wonderful person you always were to me, and that will never change just because you're gay". And she adores his partner, we all do. The rest of us were relieved that he finally accepted who he was. He had been suffering from depression for years, and now he's very happy, and we're all grateful for that. He's still one of my favorite people in the whole world.
Oh, and my cousin was a heroin addict, and thanks to the fact that his loving parents never gave up on him, he's now in a special vocational program for addicts that teaches them job skills along with helping them recover. The outcome still remains to be seen, heroin being one of the toughest habits to kick, but his prognosis is looking good. Again, it's because we all love him enough to stand by him, and support him through all this.
Because that's what loving families do.
Kicking your kids out because they no longer make you look like the model family at church is the single fastest way to destroy a family. My family is as strong as ever because we accept each other for who we are, and stand by each other in difficult times. Another uncle, who thinks along the same line you do, doesn't even know where his kids are, because none of them will talk to him anymore.
Lears your the fool. I'm straight and I know all children deserve a loving home no matter if they are gay, straight, bi, or asexual. You are a disgusting example of a piece of slime that somehow is able to type on a keyboard. I'll let one of my favorite actors tell you what you are as well, take it away Takei:
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The quote is LearsFool's response to:
Among homeless teens, GLB teens are more likely to live away from their families
Roughly 1 in 4 lesbian or gay teens and 15 percent of bisexual teens are homeless, versus 3 percent of exclusively heterosexual teens.
You might be a Fundie if:
Your 'love and concern' is indistinguishable from 'hatred and scorn' but you don't see a problem.
@ Anon2 Oscar Wilde, a famous gay guy from the 19th century, had a good, concise motto for just this type of situation: "Living well is the best revenge."
Unfortunately, it ended up that he didn't live so well, thanks to the bigots of his day.
How is he/she destroying the rest of the family by marring someone they love, especially even if the rest of the family is "normal" (i.e. heterosexual)? Because the family may have to adjust to someone they don't like? By that logic, everyone who marries someone their family considers "undesireable" would be able to effectively divorce their family.
I see the family "destroying" their child, not the other way around...But then, I'm a heretic like that. See, stuff like this is what makes me so mad I have to stay away from this site for awhile!
Wouldn't it be great if everyone had parents as intelligent and caring as the parents described by LearsFool? Then the whole world would be inhabited by gullible cannon fodder who enjoy doing exactly what they are commanded to do, no matter what. Hooray for bright ideas!!! What a simple world that would be. Successive minorities would be persecuted and taken care of until there was only one drooling moron left on Earth. Then he would have to persecute and take care of himself, being as he would be a small minority of one.
Long-term effects of heroin addiction:
Infection of the cardiovascular system.
Liver disease.
Kidney failure.
Skin infection.
Long-term effects of homosexuality:
Wanting to have sex with someone the same gender as you.
Clearly, based on this, homosexuality causes a greater health risk than heroin. When will the rest of the world see this?
"Son/daughter, we love you but you shouldn't have chosen to listen to metal so we're kicking you out of the house and leave you to fend for yourself."
See, even when something's a choice (homosexuality isn't, but let's play along), kicking your son/daughter out on the streets is a really dickish thing to do.
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This reminds me of Jesus calling people who made the fact that they attended temple visible on purpose hypocrites.
I used to be a Catholic and it astounds me still that they read this passage in church without a clue as to how ridiculous that is. I mean, the freaking Catholic church is nothing BUT a big, flashy temple where people try to be visibly praying. And I'm not even going to get into the giant spectacle that Pentacostalism is. If Jesus knew his followers would ignore his every damn word he'd have just stayed home and spared himself the painful execution.
recognize this perversity as more destructive than shooting heroin
Hyperbolic bullshit.
out of love and concern say something like: "...we can not and will not permit this to go on while you live under our roof. We may not be able to prevent you from destroying your life, but we will not let you destroy the rest of this family in the process."
If this is what you call love and concern , your moral compass is hoplessly skewed.
First of all; homosexuality is no more of a choice than heterosexuality. If you're claiming that somebody is choosing homosexuality, then you're also claiming that, somewhere along the way, you chose to be hetero. Think about the implications, OK?
Secondly, any damage done to their life probably isn't their own doing; it's likely done by family and friends who turn on them.
Finally--destroy the rest of the family? WTF are you talking about?
Kid looks parents angrily in the eye.
Mum, dad. You two are supposed to love me unconditionally. You are breaking a parents bond because you are too immature to accept me for who I am, which is what Jesus would have wanted. Know this, while I love you, you have turned your backs on your own flesh and blood. I will now quietly put an end to my miserable existence and unburden you of myself. But before I go know this. I am a follower of Jesus Christ, as such, I forgive you and hope one day you may one day see the error of your ways before it is too late. Good bye.
The above statement was taken from one of my friends when his parents said the same thing to him. (almost word for word.) Thankfully he is doing much better now, but he still has a long road ahead of him.
On his behalf I say this to LearsFOOL. You are a sick perverted "person" actively promoting this sickening practice. I hope you burn in hell.
That's called disowning your own child, for something they have no control over no less, and it's the very antithesis of love, so no, this is not done out of love and concern but out of ignorance, malice and/or hatred. Any person who does this to their child/children doesn't deserve to HAVE children.
I love arguments like this:
"[thing I don't like] is incredibly destructive and horrible and we should do everything we can to stop it, but I won't actually provide any evidence as to why it's so horrible!"
It reminds me of people who say that atheism/secularism will lead to devastation and amorality, or (moving away from religious fundamentalists) that government health care will lead to a worse system. Despite its commonality, humans willfully ignoring reality is always amusing.
So, the good christian morale is to boot your kids out of your home?
And they wonder why we think they are immoral fundies.
Mom/Dad, , I love you, and I hate to see you choose this path of christianity. I've tried to help you overcome this problem, and will always be here to help. But I can not and will not tolerate your blatant bigotry and hatred and will move out, forcefully if neccesary. I may not be able to prevent you from destroying your life, but I will disown you if neccesary"
If I or any of my siblings had turned out gay, my parents would have recognized the reality of homosexuality in one of their kids and said something like:
"Son/daughter, we love you and will always love you, no matter what. We will always try to help you overcome any problems, and will always put your health above any perception of Our Great Family."
My dad worked with recovering drug addicts when I was little; he knows that being gay is nothing in comparison with battling heroin addiction.
That's not love and concern. That's selfishness and spite. Parents like this are more worried about what their neighbors will think of their having a gay child than they are of the welfare of their child (or their family, for that matter). Being gay doesn't destroy lives, bigotry like this destroys lives.
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