Revelation 13:18 reads ..... "This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666."
Man's Number. The Number of Man.
The Beast of Revelation is Man ???? Or is it Carbon ?
I'd say given the problems we are currently facing with Carbon Emissions. The Beast is Man's use of Carbon.
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We stop using fossil fuels, and use water and wind power instead?
I don't remember that much from Chemistry classes, but I'm prepared to call bullshit on the whole Carbon being 6-6-6, merely based on the stupidity of his/her post.
Isn't the number of the Beast 616 somewhere else in the Bible?
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Hey, if you follow this line of reasoning, global warming is the apocalypse. Kudos on that. Still looks like arbitrary pattern seeking, though.
That's just uncanny, but I'll give that one to your Bible. It predicts an end of the world by fire, and Carbon (6-6-6) eating up Ozone's making things a lot hotter. It's not exact, but our end by global warming has some similarities to your Biblical prophecy.
However, I will say this: a prophecy is not inevitable. I will use this to tell the Bible-believers of the world that together, we CAN beat the book of revelation and stop the world's destruction this way. We can defeat the beast, but we all have to work together. We all have to be, well... environmentalists. Are you willing to help me and many other non-Christians and Christians alike defeat the Beast? The choice is yours. </speech>
Nebby: "A carbon atom with 6 neutrons (C-18) is extremely unstable and is not typically found in the environment. Stable carbon has few neutrons (C-12 or C-13). Sometimes the stupid is astounding..."
A carbon atom with 6 neutrons is Carbon 12. The atomic weight is number of neutrons and protons, and doesn't include number of electrons (which is what you must have done to get Carbon 18).
@Swede , Despite the OP's stupidity, they're right about carbon having 6 electrons, 6 neutrons, and 6 protons.
@Nebby, Carbon-12 DOES have 6 neutrons. Carbon-18 has 12 neutrons. The number at the end isn't the sum of the protons, neutrons, and electrons, it's the atom's atomic weight, which is the sum of its protons and neutrons.
Seriously guys, having a knee-jerk "a fundie said it, therefore it's wrong" reaction can make you look just as stupid as the OP. Like a few weeks ago a commenter on here called bullshit on AIDS once being called GRID ("gay-related immune deficiency") just because the OP said it was once called that. Not everything every fundie says is factually incorrect, and calling "bullshit" on every single point without getting your own facts straight makes you look just as bad.
Anyway, I wonder what would happen if we told the OP that carbon is the building block of ALL LIFE ON EARTH?? That means all living things are evil. Their head would probably explode.
@NoriMori
First, I admit I made that same kneejerk reaction when I first read that, before taking a few seconds to remember my high school chemistry classes.
But SHVT did say in his post that it is the essential atom of life. I have the feeling that he knows that all living things consist of lots of carbon. As full of crazy as it is, his post is internally consistent. That's more than I can say for a lot of the word salad that passes through here on any given day.
The number of the beast is six hundred threescore and six. That means, if you're truly looking for it in chemistry, you'd need something with that many particles, not something that just happens to have six each of three particles.
It's like arguing that Ronald Wilson Reagan is the beast because his full name has six letters in each name. Wait a minute.........
While I have to give you half credit for acknowledging that carbon dioxide emissions cause global warming, you are still an idiot. Even if it weren't a load of crock, gematria does not work that way. The Number of the Beast is supposed to be the quantity "six hundred sixty-six" (i.e. 600+60+6) NOT three sixes. And all this is not even getting into the fact that the atomic number of carbon is 6, not 666, and its mass number is (approximately) 12. And if you take isotopes into account, then some carbon atoms have 7 or even 8 neutrons!
This is really, really profoundly odd. Not harmful to anyone, not hateful or evil, but so utterly weird and nonsensical it most definitely belongs on here. WTF'd.
*Sigh* As a chem major, I was wondering how long it would be before somebody noticed that.
Although, if carbon = 666 = evil, then does that mean that by extension, life = evil, since it's carbon-based??
Anyway, this has got to be the most interesting rationalization for defining and/or reducing carbon emissions that I've personally seen so far.
EDIT @Brendan: Hm. Point noted. :)
@ NoriMori and katie5000:
Ah, but if he is a fundie Christian, then he ALREADY thinks that all life is evil. In addition to the aforementioned similarity between climate change-induced doomsday scenarios and the Book of Revelation, it all fits perfectly!
Although, if carbon = 666 = evil, then does that mean that by extension, life = evil, since it's carbon-based??
@katie5000:
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Behold the face of God's wrath!
How do we stop the coming Inferno, Floods and destruction of the Carbon Beast ?
Have Paula use PK Freeze until it transforms into the Diamond Beast, then go batshit with PSI Rockin' and bottle rockets until it keels over.
I'd thought this was common knowledge by now.
Great theory. Except, you know, the fact that carbon warming is now a proven hoax. Sorry, try again.
Let me say:
1. Isn't it odd that the beasts number is also man's number?
2. There is evidence that the number of the beast may be mistranslated anyway- it could be 616
3. Carbon is an essential atom for life on earth, but that may not be the case elsewhere.
4. The pronunciation of atom and Adam is a coincidence
5. Carbon doesn't have a "number"- although it does have properties that can be quantified with numbers
6. Carbon has 6 protons, but the number of electrons and neutrons is not set in stone.
7. The beast of revelation is not man, by either the theological reading or the commonly accepted allegorical meaning.
8. Carbons emissions are a problem, but far from man's only one.
9. In the end times, floods will be a pretty minor concern given that god has already stated that he won't use flooding to destroy the earth again.
Atom (Adam)
Beside the other crap, it's etymology gone wild.
"Atom" is Greek a-tomos and means "indivisible" (alpha privativum "un/in-" or "not" + tomos "part")
Adam is Hebrew with a slightly uncertain etymology, but is used to mean "man."
I really hate stupid etymologies and they always expose a fool, although that is hardly necessary in this case.
@checkmate :
I completely agree about stupid etymologies, I always cringe whenever I come across one; and this is a doozy. However I think Hovind's "Universe: uni = single, verse = spoken sentence" retains the title.
You see, the problem with that is this. When that was written, no-one knew anything about atoms, because the microscope had yet to be invented. They were theorised about by certain people in ancient Greece, but the Greek word Atom is unrelated to the Hebrew word Adam.
God hates and will endlessly torment you just for existing and you need to beg his forgiveness constantly.
Yeah, when you consider that's the premise of many takes on the whole Christianity thing this conclusion almost makes sense.
Wow, His4Life. Who would've thought that a rabid fundamentalist would also be a rabid science denialist!? It's, like, practically unheard of!
"How do we stop the coming Inferno, Floods and destruction of the Carbon Beast ?"
Sounds like Tums and Immodium A-D would help.
But at least they're an environmentalist? Of course, the logical conclusion of this is that carbon credits are "dealing in the devil's currency," but we all know this person doesn't have enough brain cells to follow that logic.
Carbon is the essential Atom (Adam) of Life, and It's number is exactly 666.
Um, no, its atomic number is 6 .
And just because "Adam" sounds like "atom," doesn't mean they're one and the same. But if we're to follow this line of reasoning, then all of creation was created by the devil, or all of creation is evil. Or at the very least, man was created by the devil.
Or, you could just be a deluded religious idiot.
I love how know-nothing yeast infections like this use phrases like 'So now we have solved the riddle.....'
Leaving aside the batshit-insanity aspect, 666 has nothing to do with carbon, any carbon containing gas, or any other identified 'greenhouse' gas. 13C and 14C are also very disappointed in SHVT's lack of knowledge. It's always a bad idea to use the word 'precisely' in a scientific context, as it often makes you look like an arse.
The Atom/Adam link did make me laugh a bit though. I can picture SHVT's excitement as he/she/it noticed how similar those words were. Surely his/her/its god would do some english-language based wordplay for it's highly intelligent follows to 'discover'. That's definitely how it happens :)
But then i also noticed that SHVT and SHIT were pretty close too. You decide.
I do love it when Fundies really try to be scientific.
Um, no. Were you asleep the day your chem class discussed isotopes? Oh, homeschooled ok, move along.
I think we're all taking the wrong approach to this. We shouldn't be mocking Ha-Nachash's stupidity. We should be amazed! After all, it's not every day that you get to talk to a silicone-based lifeform - which Ha-Hachash clearly is.
Alternately, by claiming that the Beast of Revelation is Man, he's just admitted to being the Devil.
@Flah, Oh crap you're right. I guess I wasn't reading the post very thoroughly. Now I feel extra-dumb because I posted that "Did you know...??" on the OP itself. Hah, and now I feel like a hypocrite too, for my "knee-jerk reaction" lecture... Three strikes for NoriMori! ^^
In my rather dubious defense, I was focused on the fact that SHVT was focused on "man's use of carbon", rather than carbon's presence in living organisms. :/
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