Brianisha

I guess the christian wanted to see if there was an afterlife..........

4/4/2011 6:20:13 AM

Doubting Thomas

While it's a shame that someone's religious superstition runs so deep in their psyche that they would commit suicide after realizing that religion is based on false beleifs, expressing dismay that this poor person didn't shoot others just further reinforces the fact that despite being claimed to be a religion of peace, Christianity is just another blood-lust cult.

4/4/2011 7:22:26 AM

dionysus

1) If you can blame The God Delusion for this suicide then I can blame the Bible for every atrocity committed by a Christian, are you willing to make that bargain?

2) There is no Archbishop of atheism or any other such authority. Sure, there are those that atheists look up to and agree with and even those that lead various movements but they're still not authorities and we're free to disagree with any of them on anything and we use that ability often.

3) Saying that it's tragic that he didn't take another life with him is sick especially since the man you want him to kill is guilty of nothing more than writing a book that disagrees with you.

@Brewer

From what I've pieced together from replies to you (what happened to his posts anyway?), you seem to have a rather low opinion of god's self-esteem as apparently he'll give cancer to anyone who makes fun of him and then he'll roast them forever for that same 'crime'. And given that we tend to make god in our image it raises some questions about you. As for hell being a punishment, just punishment has four types: retribution, deterrence, rehabilitation, and incapacitation. Retributive justice requires proportional punishment and that fails immediately as finite deeds, no matter how horrible, cannot ever equal infinite punishment. There is no rehabilitation in hell (as it's eternal) so that goes out the window. Deterrence isn't really met either as you're not deterring the people in hell anymore and other, living people still continue to do bad things, even believers, and at a rate equal to or greater than non-believers! Finally, there's incapacitation which only works if the person poses a danger to others, but how the hell can you endanger people who are already dead? So hell fails every single criterion for just punishment.

4/4/2011 7:41:40 AM

Anon-e-moose

@dionysus

"From what I've pieced together from replies to you (what happened to his posts anyway?), you seem to have a rather low opinion of god's self-esteem as apparently he'll give cancer to anyone who makes fun of him and then he'll roast them forever for that same 'crime'. And given that we tend to make god in our image it raises some questions about you. As for hell being a punishment, just punishment has four types: retribution, deterrence, rehabilitation, and incapacitation. Retributive justice requires proportional punishment and that fails immediately as finite deeds, no matter how horrible, cannot ever equal infinite punishment. There is no rehabilitation in hell (as it's eternal) so that goes out the window. Deterrence isn't really met either as you're not deterring the people in hell anymore and other, living people still continue to do bad things, even believers, and at a rate equal to or greater than non-believers! Finally, there's incapacitation which only works if the person poses a danger to others, but how the hell can you endanger people who are already dead? So hell fails every single criterion for just punishment."

Free Offer: God's Unconditional* Love!

*- Terms and Conditions apply.

But not for murderers, rapists, terrorists and paedophiles, it seems:



Seems that your so-called 'God' has extremely low standards re. admission to 'Heaven', eh? Just so long as you 'believe', eh ErikB(ullshit)Brewer? Now we know why fundies favour the 'Grace through Faith' method of being 'saved'; i.e. you can be as much a cuntbag in word, action & thought, just so long as you 'believe'. As demonstrated by their cherry-picking of the OT, to suit their own agendas & attitudes. Just as they similarly ignore other parts of Scripture: James 2:26 ring any bells? As you would say...

That tells us all we need to know about you.

Re. the above pic (from a newspaper/magazine from well over a century ago). Yep, even in the 19th Century, people realised that the 'God of Love' favours, indeed, prefers the company of murderers, rapists, terrorists, and paedophiles.

...compared to, say, those who had never so much as swatted a fly. And generally been a good & decent person all their lives. And all because of the lack of a 'belief' in a certain sky fairy.

And now we know who Games Workshop based the Chaos God Khorne on:

'BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!'

It's certainly why the alternative - Atheism - exists. Fact is, we've heard all the bullshit before (especially from you, ergo your real name, ErikB(ullshitBrewer. QED.) The more science explains things, the less need there is for a 'God' in people's lives. Just ask Jonathan Edwards:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Edwards_(athlete)

He rent the veil of lies. As we Atheists did. We saw through the bullshit that is fundie religion, and found it wanting. Thus we in the UK aren't as obsessed about religion as you nutty bugers are over there in the US, with your 'Turn or Burn' bullshit. And that's all 'Turn or Burn' is: bullshit psychological snake-oil blackmail that has no right whatsoever to be 'believed', acknowledged or accepted. Just as fundie belief has no right whatsoever to be acknowledged as mere 'truth', never mind considered to have any credibility whatsoever. 'Turn or Burn'? Change the track on the CD already, this one's become old extremely fast. And even if your ''God' exists, what makes him think he even has the right to be acknowledged, never mind accepted, 'believed', or even worshipped, praised, and respected? Thus, ErikB(ullshit)Brewer and all your fundie ilk...:



We are no longer afraid.

Speaking of which...

@Brianisha

"I guess the christian wanted to see if there was an afterlife.........."

So why are those on Ruptured Retards so afraid of drinking the special Kool-Aid, to accelerate* that lovely (C)Rapture they're always banging on about? 909 people at Jonestown can't be wrong.

*- And remember, fundies: 'Suicide is a Sin' is purely Catholic doctrine; and as the hardcore Protestants you lot claim to be, you by definition, must oppose Popery in all it's vile forms, amirite?!

4/4/2011 8:45:30 AM

John_in_Oz

The good thing about High Church Atheism, is that services consist of sleeping in on Sunday morning.

4/4/2011 9:18:20 AM

Skyknight

I'm suspecting that Vox's "correct logical conclusion" that allegedly incited the suicide is the idea that life is without purpose.

One big fallacy, though: Where is it written that purpose can only ever be imbued from without? Look at Nietzche--to him, life WAS without purpose...INITIALLY. However, each person has the capacity (and the inevitability) to delve out a self-chosen purpose of their own (whether fully crafted by themselves, copied from others, or a mix of the two), and thus avoid the grasp of nihilism. I think one could argue that God was necessarily in the position of Nietzche's pre-Ubermensch; if he isn't a created entity, he certainly doesn't have a built-in purpose, so he must have worked one out on his own. HE obviously didn't fall prey to the idea that a purposeless thing is only fit for immediate self-eradication. Why would the situation change for humans?

4/4/2011 12:47:04 PM

Godbuster

What Archbishop of High Church Atheism?

4/4/2011 2:15:26 PM

DevilsChaplain

"what happened to his posts anyway?"

The mods don't like fundies plugging their websites on here, so he was banned for being an attention whore and his posts were deleted.

4/4/2011 2:16:09 PM

LAchlan

What made me the most sick was David Kupelian using this very sad story to sell his books.

4/4/2011 5:16:36 PM

whoanelly

aww. poor kid. he was probably having doubts about the existence of God, and hated himself for it . . .

i hope he's peaceful in oblivion. :(

4/4/2011 6:28:11 PM

Well, if the problem was only with the website, why not just remove those posts? Removing everything makes this batch of comments look like the result of mass hallucination.

4/4/2011 7:44:10 PM

DevilsChaplain

@#1275366

That I'm not sure of. Since I myself am not one of the mods and Distind was ultimately the one who deleted the posts, I don't know.

4/4/2011 8:25:59 PM

Renon

Yes, Vox. The cure for violence is more violence. Just like the cure for gun control is more guns. And the cure for drowning is more water.

4/4/2011 8:26:51 PM

You guys should have kept his comments. I was just going to show this page to my friends.

4/5/2011 3:14:20 AM

dionysus

@DevilsChaplain

The mods don't like fundies plugging their websites on here, so he was banned for being an attention whore and his posts were deleted.

Ah, I see. I never did like spammers. Thank you for quenching my curiosity :)

4/5/2011 5:55:01 AM

kuribo

jesus said that wishing someone dead is the same as killing them, you hell-bound twit.

4/5/2011 6:35:22 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Angua

"We must encourage Michael Gambon, who took over the role of Dumbledore following Harris's death, to never say Lord Voldemort's name aloud and hope he comes to repent unless he wants to meet a similar fate."

Michael Gambon almost overturned the 'Reasonably Priced Car' (a Suzuki Liana then, in said 'Star In A Reasonably Priced Car' segment) when, years ago, he went round the last corner on the "Top Gear" test track. Said corner was named in his honour as a result.

Even Tom Cruise Control lifted the left side wheels - again, going round 'Gambon' - when he did his run in that segment of the previous series of "Top Gear" (in the new Reasonably Priced Car - a KIA Cee-apostrophe-D).

If saying 'Xenu' holds no fears for OT-VIII Tom, then frankly Lord Voldemort would be terrified by Sir Michael. After all (and who tutored them in driving on said "TG" test track)...:



Some say, that his nipples are explosive. And that Voldemort daren't even think his name, never mind speak it. All we know is... he's called Lord Stig!

4/5/2011 7:01:06 AM

My thoughts, as a believer, is that he had a very weak personality or was very afraid of the reaction of his ultra over the top religious community. Or maybe both.

4/6/2011 1:45:21 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

I certainly feel very sorry for the young man that he wasn't strong enough to withstand having his faith tested but for the person who advocated the murder of Dawkins, find a fire and die in it.

4/6/2011 5:57:42 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Funny that Vox Day doesn't come to the correct logical conclusion. It isn't Dawkins' ideas that inherently lead to "woe is me, nothing has meaning!" angsts. Rather, the problem is the removal of the infantilizing fictions of Christianity from people nursed on such tripe for their lives and who have become some dependent on their Saturday cartoon view of the world that they can't cope with reality. But, no, it's atheism's fault that Christians cannot emotionally deal with a world where Christianity is wrong. Pathetic.

4/6/2011 11:30:02 AM

His family was probably a bunch of fundie nuts and he was afraid of rejection.
I don't know what I would have done if my family rejected my atheism.

4/7/2011 1:02:03 AM

His4Life

A shame to throw away your faith in God like that. I guess he knows now... :(

4/9/2011 8:31:27 PM

Watergirl909

Yay! Now, if only the rest of them would kill themselves.

8/27/2011 11:49:59 AM

Swede

I found The God Delusion to be a very interesting read, the kind where you want to read every other paragraph out loud to someone.

For an atheist, he writes rather respectfully about religion as a concept.
God of the Bible;, not so much, but as he describes him as the Bible does, it's hardly his fault.

The waste is that only one person died, and not two? *completely baffled*

Atheism doesn't have any Churches or Archbishops, stupid. That's kind of the point with atheism...

8/27/2011 1:28:27 PM

KZN02

Actually, there is a Atheist Church if you look for it.

8/27/2011 2:17:46 PM