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VANCOUVER — Water torture of babies is one way some members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day instil fear of authority, a former member testified Wednesday.

"It's quite common," Carolyn Blackmore Jessop told the constitutional reference case to determine whether Canada's polygamy law is valid.

"They spank the baby and when it cries, they hold the baby face up under the tap with running water. When they stop crying, they spank it again and the cycle is repeated until they are exhausted."

It's typically done by fathers and it's called "breaking in."

Jessop, who is from Arizona, testified about the practice during her testimony in B.C. Supreme Court.

Outside the courthouse, Jessop said water torture is common enough that there doesn't seem any shame attached to the practice.



Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Calgary Herald 112 Comments [2/6/2011 5:17:23 AM]
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grimsoncrow

Hey, dont worry, yanks..
-It's not torture,just ask your goverment :)

Or is it torture if you do it to someone who is'nt arab?

2/6/2011 5:28:00 AM



And then, they say that it's the gays the ones after, ehem, "their children"

2/6/2011 5:33:31 AM

KR

WTF is wrong with these people?

2/6/2011 5:34:21 AM

Anon

Unbelievable. I feel very sick after reading this. If there is anything on earth deserving to be called "abomination", it is torturing little babies. These people are monsters.

And these fundies claim that it would be cruel to the children when gay couples were allowed to adopt and raise children.

2/6/2011 5:35:43 AM



WTF!?

2/6/2011 5:43:21 AM

Cy

What the fuck?

I read the first four words and immediately thought "this is going to be some crackpot fundie ranting about The Left being immoral and having no reference point in reality, as usual."

And when... what the fuck? How have these children not been taken away from their parents already? Please tell me they have.

2/6/2011 5:54:13 AM

mad the swine

Water torture may be unique to this particular group, but the mindset is very common in traditional Christian groups. The Amish and the Mennonites do similar things. Jerry Falwell, in his books on Christian parenting, endorses it as well.

Basically, they believe that the child comes into the world 'willful' and sinful. And, like you break a horse to the bridle, you have to 'break' your child's selfish will so that it obeys you immediately and without complaint.

When an infant cries, they see this as evidence of 'willfulness', so they punish it until it learns not to cry. If it cries while being spanked for some other offense, this too is evidence of rebellious 'willfulness' - the child should be grateful for the correction - so they punish it for crying and then repeat the punishment for the first offense. This goes on over and over again until the child - and by 'child' I mean 'beginning at less than a year old' - learns to properly submit.

So yeah, don't think of this as somehow atypical. This is how Christians actually raise their children. Spare the rod and spoil the child.

2/6/2011 6:48:55 AM

mad the swine

To expand on my comment above, we have this from a relatively mainstream Christian parenting site, which recommends children be
'chastized' with a wooden switch or a length of PVC pipe:

"Chastisement can be noisy! Neighbors sometimes get concerned when they hear your child screaming. They do not see your caring love nor your long-term plan.

It is essential that you start training your child when he is a baby. This will enable you to gain the child's respect your 'no' very early This will not eliminate the need for chastisement, but it will greatly limit it.

We have trained our children, especially the loud criers, to cover their mouths when they cry. It works!4 We also do not tolerate extreme crying or yelling. Yelling is an expression of rebellion. The child must be warned of it and, if necessary, also be chastised for his disobedience. Listen carefully to your child's cries to discern the differences.

Choose to discipline in private places that absorb sound. If you live in apartments, flats or condos, choose the room away from the halls and with more insulation like a rug. You might cover an air vent for the brief moment. Walk-in closets are great."

http://www.foundationsforfreedom.net/Topics/Parenting/Parenting07_Discipline.html

Yes, I'm harping on this a bit, but I don't want you to read the posted quote and write it off as atypical cultist behavior. This is how Christians really believe children should be raised.

2/6/2011 7:00:22 AM

aaa

If people are wondering where serial killers come from, here is your answer.

2/6/2011 7:09:01 AM

Uh

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

Die in a fire, bastards! And they think they're better than atheists?

2/6/2011 7:35:24 AM



Yet more evidence that bringing children up in a fundamentalist home is mentally damaging.

These people are very sick.

2/6/2011 7:58:25 AM



@ mad the swine
Wow. I really did not know that. If what you say is true, then I'm glad my parents weren't good enough Christians. They actually raised me to be myself. Needless to say, I'm shocked that this attitude is in the mainstream... or is it?

2/6/2011 8:06:33 AM

I read about the afterlife

FUCK OFF AND DIE IN A FUCKING FIRE. THIS IS FUCKING CHILD ABUSE. THEY NEED TO PROSECUTED ASAP.

2/6/2011 8:07:06 AM

dionysus

And you dare accuse gays and atheists of being immoral? Torturing babies is among the worst things you can possibly do. You people are monsters.

2/6/2011 8:51:56 AM

HazelHolly

@mad the swine - That cannot be mainstream Christian thought. It can't be. I'm Christian, and my parents would never, ever raise a hand to me, let alone beat me with PVC piping! None of the other Christians I know would ever do this!

Please, people - don't tar all Christians with the same brush as these hateful, abusive monsters. The vast majority want NOTHING to do with these guys. In fact, I'm not sure anyone else in the human race wants anything to do with these guys.

2/6/2011 9:14:23 AM

DevilsChaplain

Someone add this to the High Octane Nightmare Fuel section at TV Tropes...

2/6/2011 9:17:34 AM

Doubting Thomas

No wonder Christian fundamentalists don't think waterboarding is torture. They're just trying to "break in" the suspected terrorists.

And anyone who does this to a baby seriously needs to die in a fire. Normally I say this in jest, but in this case I really wish this would happen.

2/6/2011 9:34:43 AM

breakerslion

That would explain the zombie-like behavior I've seen among some children of fundie Mormons and other extreme sects. It's PTSD, but the government traditionally won't get too upset so long as it's not the result of a sex crime. Parents of this ilk believe they have a "right" to raise their children as they see fit, thus ensuring another generation of twisted psychos to carry on the tradition. This argument has always seemed as thin to me as the "State's rights" arguments of the Jim Crow Southern US. Fortunately, the trend is heading in the right direction when it comes to turning a blind eye to this insanity.

"As the twig is bent, so grows the tree." I think the world would be a better place if we stopped bending so much.

2/6/2011 9:53:11 AM



Whats any of that got to do with Polygamy? Having more than one spouse causes you to touture your children?

2/6/2011 9:58:38 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Outside the courthouse, Jessop said water torture is common enough that there doesn't seem any shame attached to the practice."

So I guess you wouldn't object to you & your ilk being waterboarded, amirite? Otherwise, you've destroyed your own argument, you inferior subhuman cunts.

2/6/2011 10:05:37 AM

LDM

I read Jessop's book, she also wrote about children being dragged from their beds in the middle of the night for prayer session lasting for hours, and being deprived of food, sometimes for 2-3 days at a time.

The state of Texas didn't drop the ball when they took those kids, but when they gave them back.

2/6/2011 10:07:13 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

Sick motherfuckers.

2/6/2011 10:07:21 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Wait, WHAT?! These guys are just as bad as Ronald E. Williams. May they slowly die in an all-consuming fire that destroys their entire community, but spares the innocent children who are subjected to this sort of thing. Either that, or prosecute them to hell!

2/6/2011 10:26:55 AM

Panz

Groups like these should be fuckin' arrested

2/6/2011 10:45:27 AM

JSS

Um, yeah, this is the point where government must intervene and punish the cretins engaged in such cruelty.

Human rights always trump religious beliefs and customs. People who object are more than welcome to spend a day in an Islamic torture chamber.

2/6/2011 10:49:06 AM
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