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Homesexuality doesn't work that way, nor does the military.
10/17/2010 7:23:53 AM
Uh, that should've said "homosexuality", "homesexuality" would be weird, would that make a person carnally attracted to their own house?
10/17/2010 7:24:53 AM
Even if that were true, which it isn't, maybe it would be a good thing?
Given all the horrific statistics on women being raped in the US military a little fear in the hearts of the men might make them think about how they're treating women and more likely to take no for an answer or treat them less like a toy to be stared at.
Yeah, not likely to happen as long as the issue remains unaddressed by the higher echelons of the military, but if fundies are allowed to fantasize about all the gays and lesbians being obsessed with their ass, I'm allowed to fantasize about people learning to treat others as fellow human beings.
10/17/2010 7:29:26 AM
There are gays in the military right now. What's the difference?
If gays creep you out, wouldn't it be better to know who is gay, so you could shower away from that person?
Maybe showers should be divided up in "people who are attracted to guys" and "people who are attracted to gals"...
10/17/2010 7:30:29 AM
Why do fundies think that gay men are attracted to, and want to fuck, ALL other men? We have desired types and standards, just like everyone else.
10/17/2010 7:35:36 AM
Ah yes.. the classic shower argument.
Can we please play another song?
We are asking these young men an women to disk their lives in the most horrific conditions around the world every day. You think they are afraid of a shower?
10/17/2010 7:43:11 AM
I, meanwhile, hope that you will jump out of a window and die in the belief that you are actually in a dream.
10/17/2010 7:45:23 AM
You know, allowing gay men to serve openly does not mean they can't be disciplined or dishonorably discharged should they behave in an unacceptable manner. If a gay soldier rapes a fellow soldier in the shower, as you claim, he'll be dishonorably discharged.
10/17/2010 7:55:56 AM
The disease that makes people spout offensive shit - you misspelled in in your user-name.
10/17/2010 7:57:18 AM
There already ARE gays in the military, you idiot, so the dudes there are already showering with them.
10/17/2010 7:57:22 AM
Has this person been seeing the Paul Verhoven version of Starship Troopers, which as I recall, does have a co-ed shower scene, far too many times, & failed to realise it's a parody of jingoistic WW2 propaganda films...?
Oh well, "Service Garauntees Citizenship..."
10/17/2010 8:03:58 AM
Yeah, the gays in the military are already in the same showers as the straight folks. And gay people are people. They're not actually some crazy sort of sex machine that wants to have sex with every guy they can find.
10/17/2010 8:04:27 AM
Following your logic, no kindergardens. Nor male Gynecologists, eh?
10/17/2010 8:08:39 AM
I'll type this slowly so maybe you can understand it. And I will try to limit myself to simple words.
There already are gays in the military. What the fuck do you think "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is all about? They can serve as long as they don't reveal their sexual orientation, and the military is not allowed to ask about said orientation.
If gays were allowed to serve openly maybe some system could be worked out for showers. The people who are gay and the majority who don't give a fuck can shower at the same time.
And the two raving fundie homophobes in the unit could shower together by themselves. Getting their naked, buffed, hetero bodies all soapy and slippery. Maybe help each other in this process. They should be careful to keep their moans to a minimum.
Edit: @ John In Oz
Where, sir, should I have your new Internet delivered?
10/17/2010 8:10:05 AM
So, tell me about your experience in military?
10/17/2010 8:24:54 AM
Patrick: They're probably extrapolating from the idea that a heterosexual man innately wants to bed every post-pubescent woman he sees. The concept of anything even remotely approaching Single Target Sexuality would probably seem utterly impossible to them. This is probably also the stem of the idea that it's women's responsibility to dress hyper-modestly because anything less is a beacon for male lust. They've utterly despaired in the idea that lust can be meaningfully controlled, outside of divine influence.
10/17/2010 8:26:40 AM
I read about the afterlife
Wow, Torriatte, you're in an hostile environment, in danger 24/7, and you're concerned with the shower situations? Something tells me you're really not prepared to actually be in the military.
10/17/2010 8:27:53 AM
I was in the Army for 12 years, lived in all sorts of barracks, tents, etc., and the only time I ever showered with others was during basic training.
10/17/2010 8:35:10 AM
Skynight beat me to it. That's about the sum of it, Patrick. These people have no concept of lust being a controllable urge.
10/17/2010 8:43:34 AM
What if he doesn't want to do you? Just because he's gay doesn't mean he has the hots for every man.
10/17/2010 8:51:22 AM
As tangentially suggested by other posters, I think all the fundie hysteria over "predatory" gays is really driven by the secret hope that maybe someone, anyone, will actually find fundies attractive. A forlorn hope, to be sure.
10/17/2010 8:56:38 AM
"If you have gays in the military...."
If? What, you think they aren't already there?
"who will be permitted to shower with the straight men, or with other gay men..."
You realize that gay men are already showering with the straight men, no?
"then you MUST also allow the straight men to shower with the women."
I fail to see why. I think you're just hoping this will happen so you can enlist and see yourself some nekkid wimmen folk.
"Let's be consistent here."
We have been. Men shower with men; women shower with women. Men showering with women is the inconsistency.
"The main thing about gays in the military is the fact that it's pretty damn uncomfortable to be showering and bunking with a dude who wants to do you in the ass, if even in his own thoughts."
Well, if that's all it takes to get a good portion of the military personnel thrown out then I think all of the women should complain that they are uncomfortable serving with men. All of the men, of course, should then be thrown out of the military for making the women uncomfortable.
"It's a distraction."
The whole thing is a distraction from more important matters. You know, like running a fucking government and defending it.
Nobody but a small segment of society gives a flying fuck if there are gay soldiers and, from what I can tell, it's an even smaller portion of those actually serving that give a damn.
"When I see co-ed showers...then I'll be ok with the gay thing too."
Again, what does that have to do with anything?
"All they have to do is keep it to themselves. Is that so difficult, considering it's against the code to have sex with a fellow soldier anyway?"
That's sort of the point. They shouldn't have to "keep it to themselves" any more than heterosexuals should have to.
10/17/2010 9:07:34 AM
Bwah. People used to say, "Maybe these homophobic manly-men who are convinced every gay man is trying to sleep with them will think twice about how they treat women once they know what it feels like." Evidently what they actually think is, "Well this is outrageous. And you know who should have to experience it? Women."
10/17/2010 9:11:54 AM
The main thing about gays in the military is the fact that it's pretty damn uncomfortable to be showering and bunking with a dude who wants to do you in the ass, if even in his own thoughts.
So then let's remove women from the military, since they will be a distraction, too. And the atheists...your proselytizing will be awful distracting to them, as well. And the Asians, while we're at it. I'm sure there's something distracting about them too. Or you can acknowledge that you are all there for a reason, and that reason is not one big fuckfest, but to defend your country. If you cannot control your sexuality to do your job, you should not be in the military, gay, straight or otherwise. And judging by your obsession with getting your ass ogled, something tells me you are far from capable of that.
Is that so difficult, considering it's against the code to have sex with a fellow soldier anyway?
See...you already posted the relevant tidbit right here. If an eeeevil homo makes a move on you, it's against the rules already. Though something tells me once DADT disappears, there's going to be a surge of good homosexual soldiers that will suddenly be going on rape sprees...smearing a person's good name is not something that tends to be below people like you...
10/17/2010 9:12:42 AM
"This is how our allies, who allow openly LGBT soldiers, handle the situtation."
"La la la la la, I can't hear you."
10/17/2010 9:22:16 AM
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