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I am a political atheist. I don't trade my critical thinking skills to tow the party line, left or right. I think for myself. What a novel concept.

So liberal freaks, if you can support a Muslim Mosque in the WTC area, why not a satanic temple? Where do you draw the line? Or do you bother? Someone asked if I know any satanists. I know tons of them, however they do not all know whom they are really serving. Satan's greatest accomplishment is convincing the world he does not exist.

And can we mutilate American little girls and cut off their genitals in the name of Islam? The Christians and Jews circumcise little boys, so why not? If you are all for freedom of worship, how and where do you draw that line?

Walter Vanburen, Slacktivist 78 Comments [8/30/2010 7:50:51 PM]
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#1200598
SeekerLancer

Sounds to me like you're doing a lot of towing of the party line. Politics are a spectrum and whether you like it or not, no matter how hard you "think for yourself" you're going to fall somewhere on that spectrum to the left or the right. That doesn't mean you're going to agree with all republicans or all democrats as those parties are just idealized and broken versions of the right and left. It does mean you're either generally liberal or generally conservative however.

Also look up the definition of atheist fucktard. I understand the context you're trying for but it doesn't make any sense. Just call yourself an independent and stop being a moron.

8/31/2010 8:00:34 AM
#1200608
Thinking Allowed

Hey Walter, there is little thing called an oxymoron. By you saying that you're a political atheist, then turning around and saying the rest of your drivil is not only an oxymoron, but shows you as a moron.

8/31/2010 8:07:50 AM
#1200609
GigaGuess

I am a political atheist. I don't trade my critical thinking skills to tow the party line, left or right. I think for myself. What a novel concept.
HAH!

So liberal freaks, if you can support a Muslim Mosque in the WTC area, why not a satanic temple?
Why not indeed? Provided they don't harm others, and don't intrude on the public peace, I have no issue.

Where do you draw the line? Or do you bother?
When laws are broken? When a person's rights are infringed upon? Novel idea, I know.

Someone asked if I know any satanists. I know tons of them, however they do not all know whom they are really serving.
Ah, the classic, "Not a Christian = Satanist" line. Nothing like over-simplifying a complex issue.

Satan's greatest accomplishment is convincing the world he does not exist.
I'd say it would be convincing people that their hatreds can be justified, and even enshrined...

And can we mutilate American little girls and cut off their genitals in the name of Islam? The Christians and Jews circumcise little boys, so why not?
Personally I'm against both, because, as above, personal harm comes into play.

If you are all for freedom of worship, how and where do you draw that line?
Apparently before the part where lopping off bits and pieces of Children is enshrined as a religious practice...?

8/31/2010 8:07:50 AM
#1200628
John

If you are all for freedom of worship, how and where do you draw that line?

Uh ... doesn't current law already draw the line?

8/31/2010 8:43:32 AM
#1200644
LadyJafaria

@the anon talking about the "million story tall" cultural center and how that's wrong: they're renovating an existing building into it. Should they knock some stories off the building to not offend the sensibilities of fundy Christians and militant anti-theists? (Pfft, like anyone'd let Muslims use demolition equipment.)

And it's not an extremely tall building anyway. It's a small building by NYC standards. Seems like everyone with a negative opinion on this damn thing is A. not willing to do research and B. not a New Yorker or knowledgeable about New York. But then, that's to be expected, considering the protest is spearheaded by the kind of people who call New York a godless librul hellhole when they can't squeeze political advantage out of 9/11.

8/31/2010 9:08:13 AM
#1200646


i have nnothing against a satanic temple as long as it could prove it would get a decent number of regualr worshipers, could pay for itself and oh yeah its NOT a Mosque for the last time!

As for where to draw the line at the point where its an act that ruins the girls future sex life, has been banned in most MED's and nearly everyone who has experianced it is against it. I feel thats a good line to draw, you?

8/31/2010 9:23:25 AM
#1200681
ND

Hey, I am all for satantic temples near the WTC location

8/31/2010 10:41:10 AM
#1200685


Satanism is not an organized religion, so the concept of a temple is rather ridiculous. Also, female circumcision isn't Islamic. It's cultural, and overlaps areas that are both Islamic and Christian.

... Wait a second, why am I arguing? Walter will never, ever read this. Sad, because he needs to.

8/31/2010 10:43:29 AM
#1200701
AuraTwilight

I actually know some LaVeyian Satanists. My boyfriend's one. They're all generally pretty cool guys.

8/31/2010 11:38:19 AM
#1200714
The L

I have no problem with Satanists, as the vast majority don't actually worship the Christian devil. In fact, most Satanists are atheists, and don't believe such a being exists at all!

And just so you know, I think mutilating the genitals of baby boys is just as disgusting as FGM. No son of mine will be circumcised--he can learn to clean under his foreskin when he bathes like a civilized human being.

8/31/2010 11:58:15 AM
#1200716
John_in_Oz

Personally I think all worship and all religious practices are wrong. Do you really want me to start banning what I think is wrong?
Its their kids. They are their loving parents who are dong the best by them that they know how. Though I think they are wrong, they think I'm wrong, and it's their kids.
I would discourage all the practices you mention by permitting the children to sue for the harm done. I would not start counting the limit on time to sue until the child reaches the age of majority.
If the kids as adults don't have a problem with it, then its not my business. It's not your fucking business either.

8/31/2010 12:08:19 PM
#1200727
Godbuster

Or really why don't we just fucking tax all of these damned churches. At least the bastards profiting on human insecurities and the fear of death would pay their part.

8/31/2010 12:31:42 PM
#1200758
Old Viking

Let's not be hasty in our judgment. Would the Satanic temple have parties instead of services?

8/31/2010 1:16:00 PM
#1200777
Berny

Satan doesn't exist, moron.
Sane people know this. Sane people also know that Satanists are actually self-worshiping hedonistic atheists (for the most part).
As for female genital mutilation, there is no requirement for it in Islam. It is strictly a barbaric cultural practice that those wishing to keep it are trying to legitimize by giving it religious implications. It's bullshit.
Personally, I feel the same way about the circumcision of males but some logical arguments can be made for those living in areas where water is a scarce commodity for washing.

8/31/2010 1:42:56 PM
#1200788
blayzekohime

And again.
Ironically, the Church of Satan doesn't actually worship Satan. They only use him as a symbol to troll Christians.

8/31/2010 1:51:44 PM
#1200907
I read about the afterlife

'Why not a satanic temple?'

Good question, why not? It's in line with our constitution -- they have just as much a right to worship as anyone else?

"And can we mutilate American little girls and cut off their genitals in the name of Islam?"

No -- that violates the little girls' freedom. A satanic temple violates no one's autonomy.

"If you are all for freedom of worship, how and where do you draw that line?"

When the person's religious beliefs affect the freedoms and violates the autonomy of others.

Did you think that your questions were mind-boggling?

8/31/2010 7:41:06 PM
#1200928
Amadaun

Liar.

8/31/2010 8:26:59 PM
#1200943
Sasha

I like how Walter claims that he's neither left nor right wing, then directs his questions to "liberal freaks." 'Cause that's such an unbiased label.

As for a satanic temple, fine with me. I don't care because I know satan is as fictional as yahweh.

8/31/2010 9:06:20 PM
#1201026
whatever

"I am a political atheist."

Good. All politicians should be atheists.

9/1/2010 3:35:56 AM
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NoriMori

You ask "how and where do you draw the line?" We draw the line where harm occurs, where there's a safety hazard, or where the law is being broken. All people should be free to practise their religion as long as it doesn't cause harm, present a safety hazard, or break the law. The mere existence of a Satanic church and the practice of a Satanic religion will not necessarily do these things, so yes, I would support it by default. Freedom of religion means you give other people the freedom to believe what they believe, and how they express their beliefs is none of your business unless it is harmful, unsafe, or illegal.

Honestly, how hard is this to grasp? Are you seriously so mentally feeble that you couldn't work that out on your own? Do you need EVERYTHING explained to you? Because I've gotta be honest, I'm getting kind of sick of it.

9/1/2010 5:16:25 PM
#1201389
refuter of fundy vermin

Walter the dumbass, I suppose you're also in favor of freedom of worship - as long as it's restricted to FUNDIES only.

BTW, female genital mutilation is a BANNED practice in Canada (and probably throughout the USA).

9/1/2010 8:16:57 PM
#1204070


So, you're a political atheists who claims that Satan exists. Enjoy your contradictions.

9/7/2010 9:55:40 AM
#1215004


Yeah, I'm sure Fox News told you those opinions are akin to thinking for yourself.

10/5/2010 12:20:25 PM
#1215010


Personally, I'm against wasting any more precious resources on monuments to the exploitation of human ignorance; whether it is a mosque, a church, a temple or any other such brothel of pseudo-morality. It is the 21st century goddamnit!

PS: I think by "political atheist" he probably means a person who doesn't believe in any political affiliations, so I suppose that's a metaphoric usage of the term "atheist".

10/5/2010 12:49:59 PM
#1228407
Anacin_Disciple

"Someone asked if I know any satanists. I know tons of them...", i smell some serious bullshit here...

11/20/2010 10:16:44 PM
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