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#1197008
Percy Q. Shunn
the power of the dark side is very strong
Clearly. Because your omnipotent god can do absofuckinglutely nothing to stop it. Why do you worship such a weak pussy of a god?
8/24/2010 7:11:30 PM
#1197028
Allegory for Jesus
Traditional taboos do not resonate with sane people if they can't be rationally justified.
Murder, kidnapping, and rape all violate the Golden Rule, for instance. "Having gay sex with a gay man" doesn't. Your "solid reasons" are most likely anything but solid or reasonable if it's the same old tripe we've heard before from the apologists for discrimination in the name of the almighty status quo. Show your work or STFU.
8/24/2010 7:32:52 PM
#1197038
False premise backed up with false statements. *scratches his head* does that make it right?
8/24/2010 7:54:38 PM
#1197042
JSS
"The behavior is immoral. Like murder, kidnapping, rape."
Um, no, all those other things actually violate another's individual rights.
"Legalizing homosexuality is incredibly destructive to a society. It is suicide."
And yet we as a society have not been destroyed (in fact, the third world terrorist regimes that persecute homosexuals are closer towards destruction). Give me a proof-positive example on homosexuality destroying a nation. Yes, yes we all know Ancient Rome/Greece fell, with all their homoeroticism, but prove that the destruction was caused by homosexuality.
8/24/2010 8:00:19 PM
#1197054
WMDKitty
Murder? Your "god" is the biggest murderer of all, if you take the Babble as truth.
Kidnapping... *facepalm*
Rape? Hello, your "savior" was a rape-baby.
On the other hand, homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone.
8/24/2010 8:16:56 PM
#1197071
John_in_Oz
If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married.
8/24/2010 8:49:45 PM
#1197075
Amadaun
...
Of course he's wrong. But, see, he's is aware that every major society currently powerful in the magical land of fifty years ago was pretty repressive toward homosexuality. All counter-examples have either declined or been slaughtered over the centuries.
So if that window of time is taken as the optimum point at which one must have existed to count as 'successful,' we can begin to understand the root of this delusion.
(The current definition of homosexuality hasn't really been accepted anywhere in the pre-modern world because it wasn't conceptualized that way--the Greeks, for example, basically divided people into receptive and aggressive partners, and if you were a guy in the women's camp, you were somewhat screwed. In both senses.
'Catamites' are among the disgusting people Socrates traps a Hedonist in approving of at one point, and then talks him to pieces around his socially-implanted desire not to associate himself with them, despite the letter of his philosophy dictating that he should have no objection to their lifestyle 'since it feels good to them.' Gorgias.)
8/24/2010 9:04:32 PM
#1197086
Zoo
Define "long lasting".
8/24/2010 9:24:16 PM
#1197118
JonnyTruant
Funny, homosexuality was common in the Roman Empire and it lasted longer than any other Western civilization before or since. How about the Greeks?
8/24/2010 11:30:37 PM
#1197172
Wozza
Because they are a minority and people like picking on minorities?
8/25/2010 1:51:38 AM
#1197196
some guy
Ancient wisdom. there's something that's been pissing me off lately. Look, just because some ignorant morons did something for thousands of years doesn't mean it's a wise or a smart thing to do. Just because a lot of civilizations use to sacrifice everything from goats to human beings doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so. Just the same, just because some morons stopped at 2012 with their calendar it doesn't mean they "knew something we don't" and the world is gonna end. They were friggin ignorant herders that were into math and agriculture, and sacrificing people for the next rain and shit.
I've had enough of people telling me i should do something and believe some shit just because some filthy folk who're long dead used to.
/endrant
PS. The rest of the post is stupid as well but i picked this because it's been fed to me a lot lately
8/25/2010 2:59:11 AM
#1197236
nutbunny
"The ancient wisdom of making homosexuality taboo has many solid reasons. To be honest you’ve probably read or heard many or most of them,"
Why don't you enlighten us then.
"It’s easy to find some perfectly “logical” reason why....your chosen vice is just the thing for you"
Chosen? I have had to deal with some serious religious issues due to being BORN homosexual. I reached a point where it was either HIM or me.
Kicked God out on his invisible ass.
8/25/2010 5:37:26 AM
#1197238
Xotan
bvw, I feel quite sure you would be happier living in Iran. move directly to Iran, do not pass Go. Do no collect 72 Virgins - male or female.
8/25/2010 5:44:21 AM
#1197249
Mister Spak
"Gee, homosexuality has only been taboo in every long lasting social culture in history, maybe that “resonates” for some strange reason?"
Except the Romans survivied for a thousand years with homosexuality. It was only when christians appeared that the Roman Empire failed. Maybe that "resonates" for some strange reason?
8/25/2010 6:13:51 AM
#1197261
Doubting Thomas
Racism and xenophobia have been rampant in every long lasting social culture in history too, but does that make it right?
Oh and I think the ancient Greeks would like to have a word with you.
8/25/2010 6:32:48 AM
#1197274
The L
"Gee, homosexuality has only been taboo in every long lasting social culture in history, maybe that “resonates” for some strange reason?"
India, China, Africa, Japan, and Greece would all like a word with you.
8/25/2010 6:52:10 AM
#1197314
Ling
Murder - harms someone else
Kidnapping - harms someone else
Rape - harms someone else
Homoseuxality - harms no-one
Where's the big similarity?
You, "grasshopper", need to read up on Ancient Greece, Sparta, Samurais and many others who either didn't mind homosexuality or looke favorable on it.
Homosexuality has been legal here for decades and our society hasn't seen any negative results, whatsoever.
8/25/2010 7:28:26 AM
#1197320
lisamariefan
Greeks, Romans.
They were pretty successful. And I'm pretty sure that most historians will that there downfalls weren't due to homosexuality.
8/25/2010 7:33:41 AM
#1197331
aaa
You say a lot of words, but they lack substance.
8/25/2010 7:51:20 AM
#1197346
I read about the afterlife
"Gee, homosexuality has only been taboo in every long lasting social culture in history, maybe that 'resonates' for some strange reason?"
Gee, you're misinformed! You might want to check out the Ancient Greek Empire and the Ancient Roman Empire.
"The behavior is immoral."
According to your morality.
"Like murder, kidnapping, rape."
Except homosexuality doesn't actively harm people.
"And yes there have been times and places where each one of those vices were legally practiced by free people."
Only under very specific circumstances. And I actually can't think of any kidnapping being done legally by common folk.
"Ever heard of that word, 'vice', kinda rare in your neck of the woods I'd think."
Vice is usually in the vocabulary of a middle-schooler. Ever hear of the word "anachronism"? It describes your views on homosexuality.
"The ancient wisdom of making homosexuality taboo has many solid reason."
The ancient wisdom of which culture?
"To be honest you've probably read or heard many or most of them,."
Solid reasons, I've not heard one. Logical fallacies, non sequitors, absurdities? I've heard them all.
"But, grasshopper, the power of the dark side is very strong."
When did we step into Star Wars?
"It's easy to find sme perfectly 'logical' reasonw hy all of human history and moral code development is wrong and yoru chosen vice is just the thing for you."
Actually, human history supports me and moral codes are not absolutes among everyone.
"legalizing homosexuality is incredibly destructive to a society. it is suicide."
Look at Sweden. People are happy. Their lives are generally good. They legalized, not just homosexuality, but gay marriage.
Look at Afghanistan. People are unhappy. Their economy sucks. They're ruled by the fucking Taliban. And being a homosexual is illegal.
I fail to see how your previous statement makes any connection to observable reality.
8/25/2010 8:07:27 AM
#1197361
dionysus
Gee, homosexuality has only been taboo in every long lasting social culture in history
Someone hasn't studied much history. Oh, right, FreeRepublic.
maybe that “resonates” for some strange reason?
Racism also seems to "resonate" throughout history, so does bloody conquest, so does hypocrisy. Are you saying those are all good things just because they're common throughout history?
The behavior is immoral. Like murder, kidnapping, rape.
Really? So who does it harm? Name one person. Oh, and "it made me feel disgusted" is not a form of harm.
And yes there have been times and places where each one of those vices were legally practiced by free people.
Yes, but then again I don't follow the Bible's example.
Ever hear of that word, “vice”, kinda rare in your neck of the woods I’d think — a helpful concept though — it means something that’s bad to do and yet can become a habit for some.
Most 'vices' are bullshit taboos on things that harm nobody and certainly should have zero legal weight. Who cares if an unmarried man wants to snort coke off of a hooker? Or even a married man if his wife consents to said actions?
The ancient wisdom of making homosexuality taboo has many solid reasons.
Name them.
To be honest you’ve probably read or heard many or most of them
Cop out. Hey, theism is bullshit and there are many reasons. To be honest you've probably heard them all. See how that works?
It’s easy to find some perfectly “logical” reason why all of human history and moral code development is wrong and your chosen vice is just the thing for you.
I can even find a perfectly logical reason (without scare quotes): it does no harm to anyone.
Legalizing homosexuality is incredibly destructive to a society. It is suicide
Right, that's why all countries and states with legalized gay marriage have become third world hell holes. Oh wait, that never fucking happened.
8/25/2010 8:27:47 AM
#1197378
GodotIsWaiting4U
Except Rome. Also Greece. Oh and a number of still-existing primitive tribes (can't remember which ones).
Murder, kidnapping and rape, legal? When? I mean, yes, the definitions of murder and rape have varied from culture to culture, but with the exception of select isolated primitive societies, these actions have never been outright legal across the board. A society in which murder and rape are legal is not a society that can maintain large-scale stability for any appreciable length of time.
Homosexuality, on the other hand, has never brought down anything, and I defy you to provide examples. And don't cite Sodom & Gomorrah; there isn't enough evidence to suggest that your Bible's story about those places is true.
8/25/2010 8:56:26 AM
#1197379
Rat of Steel
(feralboy12)
"Quoting the old TV show 'Kung Fu' to push your bigotry, wow...may I remind you, the star of that show died by auto-erotic asphyxiation."
Ponder this, grasshopper: what is the sound of one hand fapping?
8/25/2010 8:56:45 AM
#1197454
nazani14
Grasshopper, are you aware of David Carradine's kinky proclivities? You might want to quote from some other TV icon, like Bob Crane.
8/25/2010 10:40:40 AM
#1197522
Murder was legal sometime?. It´s a miracle we´re alive.
8/25/2010 1:38:55 PM
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