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Oh, nobody's doubting that there are gay jerks too who try to take advantage of the sympathy people have for homosexuals. But like you said, these people are in the minority (well, the minority OF their minority). But we all know that fundies only ever pay attention to cases that confirm their biases.
8/6/2010 7:56:36 PM
"Yes, the long war on Christianity. I pray that one day we may live in an America where Christians can worship freely! In broad daylight! Openly wearing the symbols of their religion... perhaps around their necks? And maybe -- dare I dream it? -- maybe one day there can be an openly Christian President. Or, perhaps, 43 of them. Consecutively."
8/6/2010 7:59:50 PM
SleepNeed What we are seeing more and more is that homosexuals are not seeking "equal rights" in society and the work place, they are seeking "special rights" in society and the work place.
How is wanting to be treated the same as everybody else seeking special rights?
Consider for a brief moment what would be the plight of a Christian who acts in the manner this homosexual is acting. How long would would a Christian be allowed to keep his/her job if they openly witnessed their Christian faith to everyone in the workplace?
Oh for fuck's sake, people are allowed to be Christian so long as it doesn't interfere with their jobs. Here's an image for you:
8/6/2010 8:26:29 PM
refuter of fundy vermin
Another conservative, evangelical 'Christian' who believes he should have special rights - to harass, persecute or otherwise pick on anyone who doesn't fit his own narrow definition of what a Christian is. Right from the school of Ted Faggard, Don Wildmon, Don Spitz & other un-'Christian' scum.
8/6/2010 8:48:35 PM
Johnny probably believes that homosexuals live to convert others, therefore it's exactly like religious conversion.
Of course, people of any sexuality and religon can keep their jobs, though others can try to make it harder.
8/6/2010 9:05:35 PM
FFS, wanting to be able to marry the person you love is not "special rights". It is equal rights - the right that heterosexuals already enjoy.
8/6/2010 9:06:16 PM
i like how the thread is called "having to accept a new employees homosexuality," which would only be a reasonable statement if by "accept", he actually means allowing the gay guy to fuck him and he's on the fence about the whole idea. or if the gay guy is jerking off to gay porn during office meetings and distracting everybody and getting cum all over the power point projector
i also love the fact that one of his co-workers could be a serial killer who always has a deranged look on his face, but as long as he doesn't talk in a fruity voice, it's no big deal
8/6/2010 9:53:13 PM
Creedence Leonore Gielgud
"Consider for a brief moment what would be the plight of a Christian who acts in the manner this homosexual is acting."
Why don't you ask Ted Haggard?
Also, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRT3zs23sLk
8/6/2010 10:04:20 PM
Professionalism. I don't think you understand that concept.
8/6/2010 10:36:28 PM
It seems to me the only groups of people who are demanding special rights are intolerant fundie fuckwits like you.
8/6/2010 11:07:11 PM
I worked with a fundy who "witnessed" every day for four years. Ironically enough, he ended up getting arrested for abusing his daughter. The last I heard he's still in prison.
8/6/2010 11:41:18 PM
Uh? My dad was openly agnostic at his former workplace, and was surrounded by religious nutters who tried to convert him. He politely informed them of his beliefs and why he believed that way. Wanna know what happened?
HE WAS FIRED.
So, yeah. BULLSHIT ON THIS BITCH.
8/7/2010 12:16:26 AM
What we are seeing more and more is that homosexuals are not seeking "equal rights" in society and the work place, they are seeking "special rights" in society and the work place.
Simply being allowed to seek employment in the same place as others is "special rights" now?! Think about what you're saying, man: you not only think they shouldn't be allowed to marry the people they love or hold steady jobs or adopt, but you think that subjugating them like this makes them "equal."
How long would would a Christian be allowed to keep his/her job if they openly witnessed their Christian faith to everyone in the workplace?
About as long as a Muslim, Jew, Scientologist, etc. who kept trying to convert everybody. Establishment Clause and all that. And if you're worried about a gay co-worker trying to put the moves on you, consider this...if he does make unwanted advances, you can file a sexual harassment suit.
Homosexuals don't want "special rights." People like you just want to give them special WRONGS.
8/7/2010 12:49:46 AM
Not long, if he or she spent all their time preaching when they're supposed to be working. That goes for anybody else with any kind of "agenda" outside of what the job requires. Slacking on the job never sits well with the bosses. Duh.
8/7/2010 1:02:58 AM
I went to the thread to see what this person had apparently done that was so bad. It basically boiled down to "showed us photos on his phone of him in drag and told me he was engaged to his boyfriend" plus something about a t-shirt I didn't really get.
So in other words... he talked to his new co-workers about his hobbies and his romantic/family situation. Exactly the same things, you know, anyone tells anyone else when they're getting to know each other? I know I did exactly the same things when I started my current job, right down to the photos on my phone (except that was of my knitting)
Would a Christian who acted in the same manner keep their job? The Christian version of this would basically be... showing photos of you at the church fundraiser you went to, and telling people about the lovely church you were going to get married in, I suppose. I highly doubt anyone would get fired for that.
Evangelising everyone in the workplace would get you fired, as that is harassment and likely to make the work atmosphere very uncomfortable. That goes whether you're evangelising your religion or trying to "convert" everyone to your sexuality.
(I can't decide whether the rest of the thread is positive or not. There seems to be someone saying homosexual people are intersex... what???)
8/7/2010 4:31:08 AM
O____o I worked with two gay men once. One was an annoying stereotype, and hardly anyone could stand him.
The other was a hard-working, friendly, outgoing man with a great personality who happened to mention his boyfriend from time to time. (Had gay marriage not been banned in our state constitution a mere handful of years prior, he would no doubt have referred to this man as his husband. They were in a deeply committed relationship of the type I envied.) Not "rubbing it in people's faces," not "converting people to The Gay," not "seeking special rights," just matter-of-factly stating things such as "The reason I'm taking next Saturday off is because my boyfriend's mother is in town and we're all planning to spend the day together."
I was a homophobe before I worked that job. I'm not anymore. Guess why?
8/7/2010 5:11:39 AM
> How long would would a Christian be allowed to keep his/her job if they openly witnessed their Christian faith to everyone in the workplace?
I don't know about US, but our constitution has a few strong words about religious discrimination (along with other forms of discrimination, of course). In fact, the clause specifically mentions religion but not sexuality (which is covered under "other similar reasons pertaining to person". Or maybe it's covered under discrimination against people with psychological problems, if we're to believe fundies. =)
Look, nobody has a problem with gays or Christians. Everybody has problems with obnoxious people in general - it has nothing to do with religion or sexuality. As long as you understand that no means no, I don't have any problems working with you.
8/7/2010 5:22:49 AM
Um, your argument is bunk. You're allowed to say you're a Christian all you want. No one can say anything about it, unless you're being your normal, unelievably obnoxious self.
8/7/2010 6:11:55 AM
Uh, that person could absolutely be openly Christian in the workplace as long as it doesn't interfere with that person's ability to do their work or anyone else's ability to do theirs.
Nice, try though!
8/7/2010 8:13:53 AM
I read about the afterlife
"How long would would a christian be allowed to keep his/her job if they openly witnessed their Christian faith to everyone in the workplace?"
Probably about as long as the gay man if decides to hit on every man he sees in the store.
8/7/2010 9:46:41 AM
I had no idea that in America gays were preaching the word of Gawd in the workplace and getting away with it.
Are they preaching that Gawd is Gay?
That would be equality!
8/7/2010 2:21:22 PM
I've worked with gays and I've had gay bosses. Mostly gay men and lesbians are very professional in the workplace precisely to avoid the kind of trouble John 10:10 here is trying to stir up.
And will someone please explain to me what "special rights" gays and lesbians are seeking? I honestly don't get it. Maybe I'm too rational or something.
8/7/2010 6:40:24 PM
There's a difference between being openly Christian and trying to proselytize everybody or preach to everybody. The former is acceptable, the latter is not.
By the same token, there's a difference between being openly gay and trying to get everyone else to be allies, and distributing paraphernalia even after they've been asked to stop.
Hey, did you see how I drew that parallel there? Distributing paraphernalia? You know, like door-to-door religious salesmen? Do you know how many times my grandmother has been bothered by Jehovah's Witnesses? She's 84 and has said repeatedly that she's not interested. Why don't they stick to people who seem interested?
(Lol, the last time they came around, I answered the door. In my pajamas. I'd never met them and they were nice, so I was polite and listened to what they had to say and took their two pamphlets. You should have seen how surprised they were to find that I, an atheist, knew that God could also be referred to as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah". XD)
8/7/2010 6:57:22 PM
"I was a homophobe before I worked that job. I'm not anymore. Guess why?"
I am so proud of you! :D I've never met anyone like that before! Well, I sort of was a homophobe when I was a kid, but that was just cuz I was a little kid and the thought of two guys having sex just seemed so "ick". I didn't think beyond that. But when I was older and started being exposed to the issue more and more, it took me about a nanosecond to determine that people have a right to love who they want and that homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody.
So when you say "homophobe" do you mean you just thought it was icky or you actually thought it was morally wrong?
If it's the latter, then at least there's some hope in this world... XD
8/7/2010 6:57:58 PM
Sincde when is equal rights for everyone considered "special rights?"
And preaching to everyone in the workplace is nowhere near the same as allowing a homosexual to have a job. You can be openly Christian or openly homosexual without forcing it upon everyone else. Unfortuately Christians can't understand that allowing someone to be openly homosexual is not the same as trying to convert everyone in the workplace.
8/7/2010 7:53:13 PM
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