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#1183370
Newhere
"marriage between cousins/relatives
marriage between dogs/cats/animals and humans
marriage between adults and children "
Hah. Haha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Edit: You're a fucking idiot.
7/20/2010 8:21:31 PM
#1183375
feralboy12
Human rights are not limited by things that you find "tolerable." If you can only "tolerate" opinions that agree with yours, you've missed the whole point.
7/20/2010 8:27:54 PM
#1183376
Rat of Steel
Tolerance includes:
marriage between two men or two women
You say that like it's a bad thing. Trust me, it's not.
marriage between cousins/relatives
Funny, how most of the states that allow first cousins to marry each other, are the states most strongly associated with the "Bible Belt". Incest sounds like your stereotype, not ours.
marriage between dogs/cats/animals and humans
While it's debatable whether non-human animals are able to give consent for sexual activity (personally, while bestiality squicks me considerably, I'm of the belief that animals have a lot less difficulty with the unspoken concept behind the word "no" than humans do; if an animal doesn't want you to fuck it, it will make its desire known, in all likelihood using teeth and claws), it's clear that non-human animals are unable to give consent to enter into a legally binding contract. Like it or not, that is exactly--no more, no less--what marriage is: a legal contract.
7/20/2010 8:28:09 PM
#1183378
Zoo
No. Regular tolerance has logical limits (like consent between the parties being married). Your "limited tolerance" has illogical limits (penalizing people for not fitting your idea of what should be).
7/20/2010 8:28:45 PM
#1183379
Rat of Steel
**CONTINUED**
marriage between adults and children
Slippery slope FTL! See animals example above. On the day it is demonstrated that a child (say for example, a pre-pubescent one) is able to enter into a legally binding contract of any sort....then, yes, adults and children can marry. Until then, take your pedophilic fantasies elsewhere, you wretched waste of sperm.
marriage with multiple partners
Again, you're saying that like it's a bad thing. As long as all involved are adults and all give their consent, there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, I, as a staunch polyamorist, would be all for this.
giving citizenship to all people who come here legally and illegally
open borders and amnesty
Your conservative Presidents have done just as much to close up the leaky borders of this country as the more liberal ones have: absolutely fuck-all. The main difference is: for liberals, illegal immigrants represent cheap, easy votes, while for conservatives, they represent cheap, easy labor. In fact, your quasi-deity of a former President, Ronald Reagan, was more liberal regarding illegal immigration than President Obama has thus far been.
In summation, you have zero room to talk. Come back and try again when you have a leg on which to stand, mmm'kay?
7/20/2010 8:28:46 PM
#1183380
Martha Jones
Liberals stand for CATS AND DOGS, LIVING TOGETHER. It's MASS HYSTERIA!
7/20/2010 8:28:51 PM
#1183395
TheJebusFire
marriage between cousins/relatives
Conservatives
marriage between adults and children
Catholic preist already molest children.
marriage with multiple partners
Mormon conservatives.
7/20/2010 8:48:06 PM
#1183396
Enigma32
marriage between cousins/relatives
Oh yes. That's why almost every Southern State has laws that allows for marriage of your first cousin, but almost no northern states. Damn them liberals in the south, writing our laws! Oh, wait...
marriage between dogs/cats/animals and humans
Dumbfuckistan Texas has the laxest bestiality laws in the nation, second only to Alabama and Georgia. Take from that what you will.
Also: I seem to recall that one of your own admitted to screwing a goat...
marriage between adults and children
There you go again, projecting... damn, you people are really fucking sick.
marriage with multiple partners
Consent says "No problem." If they're happy together, and they're all consenting adults, it's none of your fucking business.
giving citizenship to all people who come here legally and illegally... open borders and amnesty
No, we want to fix the system. Kicking them all out, jackass, doesn't fix the system.
Limited tolerance includes:
marriage between man and wife
giving citizenship only to people who come here legally, following our laws and being pro-American, swearing allegience allegiance (lurn2spells, motherfucker) to our country
closed borders and no amnesty
Homophobia and Xenophobia FTL!
Aside: You didn't swear jackshit to this country, motherfucker. If anything, you're one of those bible-pushing sonsofbitches who want to replace our constitution with your fucking fantasy novel. Swear allegiance my ass.
7/20/2010 8:51:13 PM
#1183403
Olivia
Fuck refugees! Coming over here with their incestuous cat marriages and some sob story about their families being killed.
7/20/2010 9:01:21 PM
#1183404
Lotus-thing
I like other women. That is not the same as liking dogs or goats or little 5-year old boys. People who think it's even remotely close have serious issues.
Not terribly up-to-date on border issues so I'll refrain from commenting on that aspect.
7/20/2010 9:01:31 PM
#1183423
Wehpudicabok
It is not the government's job to define marriage. It is the government's job to protect those who need it, and stay out of everyone else's way. "Those who need it" would, in the marriage case, be those who cannot give informed consent (children and animals). There is no reason except fear to outlaw any other form of marriage.
In the case of immigration, those who need it would be American citizens under suspicion of being illegal (mainly in Arizona), and legal immigrants who want a path to citizenship.
If you want your government to do anything more than protect those who need it, you need to strongly reconsider what you mean when you say you want less government. If you want someone to govern your sense of morality, that sounds like one hell of an intrusive authority to me.
7/20/2010 9:32:28 PM
#1183424
Didn't lots of supposedly moral Biblical characters have multiple partners? King Soloman had hundreds
7/20/2010 9:36:44 PM
#1183434
GodotIsWaiting4U
Hey, check it out, dogs, cats, and humans aren't animals anymore. TAKE THAT, LINNAEUS!
Also, NOBODY IS PUSHING FOR INCESTUOUS/UNDERAGE/ANIMAL MARRIAGES. YOU CAN SHUT UP NOW.
Isn't amnesty generally associated with the concepts of generosity and mercy? Doesn't Jesus kind of like that stuff?
7/20/2010 10:17:43 PM
#1183448
Boy Wonder
That's nice that that's how you define "tolerance." Thanks for sharing.
7/20/2010 10:35:36 PM
#1183456
Vince
"To me, liberals stand for tolerance. "
um... thank you?
"closed borders and no amnesty"
ok, you really don't seem to know how to sell your self. You want people to TAKE your side, not throw things at it.
7/20/2010 10:55:02 PM
#1183468
werewolf
How do you propose to close the northern and southern borders of this country? Can you even imagine the fucking size of it?
As for the rest, LucyJ, you're just fucking stupid.
7/20/2010 11:21:46 PM
#1183471
Tiado
Once again, the difference between allowing the marriage of two (adult) people of the same gender, and allowing the marriage of other species and children is INFORMED CONSENT.
It's the same, tired argument that is thrown out every time you conservatives/fundies need to dig up a reason for opposing marriage of gays/lesbians.
7/20/2010 11:28:40 PM
#1183477
Sylvana
"marriage between two men or two women"
Already available in a number of European countries and at least 1 African one.
"marriage between cousins/relatives"
Southern states in America have already legalized this
"marriage between dogs/cats/animals and humans"
As much as pet owners would like to do this, until a pet can provide informed consent this will never happen.
"marriage between adults and children"
This is depressingly legal in a number of Arabic states where women and girls are treated as property. In countries with equal rights though, until a child can provide informed consent this will not ever happen.
(Side note: in Indian nations, The legal age of marriage is very low, down to 14 years and lower. However these marriages are normally family arranged marriages)
"marriage with multiple partners"
This is legal in a number of African countries where the culture supports multiple wives.
"giving citizenship to all people who come here legally and illegally
open borders and amnesty"
I am trying to figure out what this has to do with anything
In short, all of those examples exist already. Being civilized people we can look at them and learn from them and implement them as best we can. The world wont end if everyone learns to be tolerant.
7/20/2010 11:44:04 PM
#1183486
Mrs. Antichrist
Tolerance includes:
marriage between two men or two women
And this is a bad thing how?
marriage between cousins/relatives
If no one is being abused, neither is in an authority position over the other, their relationship began when they were consensual adults and they don't plan on producing any genetic offspring, I honestly don't give a shit if two relatives are fucking.
marriage between dogs/cats/animals and humans
Cats, dogs and other animals can't consent to marriage. Two gay adults can.
marriage between adults and children
Again, a child cannot consent to marriage and a sex with an adult.
marriage with multiple partners
And again, if everyone is consenting, all are comfortable with the arrangement, no one is being abuse or taken advantage of and both sexes are equally free to take on multiple partners, I really don't see the issue here.
giving citizenship to all people who come here legally and illegally
If they legally immigrate, they should be entitled to citizenship. And no, liberals don't support automatically giving citizenship to every illegal who enters the country. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.
open borders and amnesty
Again, it's not as simple as that. Few people support letting everyone and anyone into the country. Amnesty SHOULD be granted in cases where someone's human rights are at stake, you asshole.
Jackass.
7/21/2010 12:29:25 AM
#1183495
Doctor Fishcake
Fallacy ref says: 2 minutes for bare assertion.
7/21/2010 1:05:22 AM
#1183500
Swede
Nah, tolerance includes giving people the benefit of the doubt and space to be themselves, as long as it doesn't hurt others.
Marriage between cousins and other relatives is not allowed because they have too similar DNA. It might maim the offspring, which comes into the category of "hurting others".
Bestiality is wrong because beasts can't give informed consent.
As can't children, by the way.
Multiple partners is in the Bible, 'nuff said.
As to illegal aliens: We who are fortunate enough to be born into prosperous, (rather) peaceful countries have a responsibility to help those not as fortunate. We don't have any inherent RIGHT to our fortune and they have done nothing to deserve their misfortune.
Sorry, I left liberalism there and moved into socialism.
And, weren't the people on the Mayflower also illegal aliens? They didn't acquire a green-card before they sailed away from Southampton (or whatever harbor they sailed from).
7/21/2010 1:26:34 AM
#1183514
Dan Onymous
You do realise the BBC is British? If you're that worried about being pro-the country you're in, either start being pro-British and swear alleigance to our country right now or fuck off to some American website instead.
7/21/2010 2:41:30 AM
#1183532
Doctor Whom
marriage with multiple partners
Shame on you, King Solomon, for being such a liberal!
7/21/2010 4:05:22 AM
#1183543
Cy
I honestly worry about people who seem unable to grasp the necessity of CONSENT (and specifically informed, non-coerced consent) in marriage. How many of the ones who don't seem to understand that also fail to fully understand the concept of consent in matters such as sex?
That said, I support all marriages where the participants are able and willing to consent to that marriage. That excludes any marriages involving children or animals. It includes same-sex couples, multiple partners, and cousins. (In fact, without cousin marriage here in the UK, I wouldn't have a half-sister. A half-sister with two Oxbridge degrees, a high-paying job, and a husband and two children just as clever as she is. Oh, the stereotypes of cousin marriage, how they fail.)
I also support immigration as far as the country can sustain and help to integrate the growing population. How you can say to two people, "You, because you were born on this side of the line, will have access to clean water, enough food to eat, housing, healthcare, education; you will have many guaranteed rights under the laws of the land, and if you should fall into a bad situation there will be some form of government assistance or at the very least, charity. You, on the other hand, don't get any of that. You were born on the wrong side of the line."
7/21/2010 4:47:29 AM
#1183548
SeekerLancer
Hope you brought a sled to slide down all those ridiculous slippery slopes you're making up.
7/21/2010 4:54:23 AM
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