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#1168333
nazani14
When I was in the Army I had a mandatory HIV test every year. It would make more sense to say "don't let straight people from Washington, D.C. into the military."
6/15/2010 3:46:13 PM
#1168336
physalis17
This guy would probably flip out if I told him me and my partner are HIV negative. So much for automatic AIDS for the gays. His God must be slipping on spreading "ghey diseases" these days.
6/15/2010 3:50:30 PM
#1168342
DOS Et AL
@ Berskil...
"we can lose the Jingoistic fantasy known as patriotism as well and all get along"
Yes, under the iron jack boot of a foreign power either from the middle east or China. No patriotism means no ability or desire to defend a nation, and im sorry to say, but there will always be some one, some nation out there that will use violence even if no one else does, to believe other wise makes you as naive moron.
@ Dionysus
"You're both delusional if you think there aren't gays in the military already"
Dont put words in my mouth, i already know there are Gays in the military. I dont think they should serve at all, openly or closeted, and every one found should be kicked out. Period end of discussion, because that is my opinion on the issue, and im not changing it, so dont bother.
"You mean with the Catholic Church..."
Silly me, i thought we were better than animals, and actually could have self restraint..but i guess its to hard so dont even bother right, just use a condom, which bTW isnt 100% effective at blocking aids, have sex with 100 other people. Yeah great alternative.
"If a straight man can "rip off Uncle Sam for an education" why can't a gay man?"
Im actually against both straight and gays usuing the military to get a free ride rather than joining for patriotic reasons.
Oh and Fuck you too. Insults are not just one sided.
6/15/2010 3:57:47 PM
#1168355
Marc
@#1168163
This seems like an excellent reason to repeal DADT. Now that gays have to pretend to be straight, you can't differentiate straight from gay. If DADT was repealed, red blooded soldier check off some box that says "I ain't want no homo blood." We'd know who the gays are and they wouldn't get their blood.
Reality doesn't work that way. For the same reason that a soldier can't already say "I ain't want no nigger/spic/whatever blood." Blood is blood, as far as doctors are concerned. When they get it from the donor, it is checked for various diseases, and if there are none, then it is put into storage for future use. Neither the donor, the doctor, nor the recipients know who is getting what from whom.
6/15/2010 4:18:28 PM
#1168360
Matante
If someone was wounded and bleeding out, and the only person sharing the same bloodtype close enough to save his life was HIV positive, it would be a nasty decision but I'd do the transfusion. It's not "condemning his fellow soldier to death" when the only other option is letting him die right away.
6/15/2010 4:25:44 PM
#1168362
Mrs. Antichrist
Grasping at straws, are we?
6/15/2010 4:27:24 PM
#1168365
I feel like we're in a 3 way battle field.
@DOS Et AL
An army of made up of Gays conquered the middle East once before DOS, remember that.
@DieAmericanPigs
War isn't about honor anymore, though yeah the US has some, if they really didn't care they would have just carpet bombed the place from one end to the other. In this era if you had enough bombs you can just carpet bomb everyone to death. To fight on the ground takes honor.
6/15/2010 4:28:59 PM
#1168371
Philbert McAdamia
> Now if gays are allowed into the military,<
I suppose "allowed" is the operative word here, but I am continually surprised by the people who think there haven't been gay people in, of all places, the military.
6/15/2010 4:43:24 PM
#1168372
GigaGuess
@Philbert McAdamia
Well, surely you know it would be obvious to tell, because we're all primping, preening drag queen wannabes, incapable of the slightest ounce of masculinity. Why, we'd be too afraid to pick up a gun for fear of getting grease on our gorgeous pink camo, y'know?
6/15/2010 4:45:20 PM
#1168390
John
Since gays currently serve secretly, what you seem to be saying is that if we allow them to serve openly, all of a sudden we'll have more risk of transfusions with infected blood? You'll have to explain how that makes sense. I mean, is this like "Shrödinger's HIV" - you don't have HIV until somebody knows you're gay?
6/15/2010 5:39:24 PM
#1168408
freako104
There are heterosexuals who are HIV positive. It isn't just gays.
And to our friends in the military I'm sorry for the shit Kristine is saying.
6/15/2010 6:09:43 PM
#1168459
John_in_Oz
Yeah, that's certainly a problem the Australian services fighting alongside yours have suffered from over the last 20 years since openly homosexual soldiers were allowed in the military.
Oh wait- no it isn't.
6/15/2010 7:56:57 PM
#1168473
dionysus
Dont put words in my mouth, i already know there are Gays in the military. I dont think they should serve at all, openly or closeted, and every one found should be kicked out.
And just how the fuck are you intending on finding out which ones are closeted? You know there isn't actually such a thing as gaydar. All that's going to happen is that your little homosexual witch hunt is going to destroy our military's morale and instill a bunch of needless internal paranoia; just like the Salem witch hunts.
Period end of discussion, because that is my opinion on the issue, and im not changing it, so dont bother.
Yeah, we know all about your dogmatic way of thinking. I'm just relieved that you're not repeating the same shit over and over again as usual.
Silly me, i thought we were better than animals, and actually could have self restraint..but i guess its to hard so dont even bother right, just use a condom, which bTW isnt 100% effective at blocking aids, have sex with 100 other people. Yeah great alternative.
Who said it was 100% effective? But it certainly seems to be statistically more effective than abstinence only. Facts are facts and you can choose to bury your head in the sand all you want, that doesn't change the facts. But go right ahead, take the blue pill.
Im actually against both straight and gays usuing the military to get a free ride rather than joining for patriotic reasons.
What? Consistency from DOS? I don't believe it! But, what if a gay man is joining the military for patriotic reasons? Oh crap, I think I just blew DOS's mind.
Oh and Fuck you too.
Aw, and here I thought you didn't care about me.
6/15/2010 8:23:53 PM
#1168475
dionysus
@John
LOL XD @ Shrödinger's HIV. You sir have just won 10,000 internets. Spend them wisely.
6/15/2010 8:25:51 PM
#1168499
Gloria
Here is what I find funny about this: men who have had sex with other men are not allowed to donate blood. However, not everyone wants to admit they've had gay sex, so the blood banks bend over backwards to avoid forcing people to choose between outing themselves, and donating high-risk blood. They give you several chances to stop the donation (and there are lots of excuses therefor,) and you also have the option of donating, but tagging your blood to be thrown out instead of used. They put a lot of effort into reducing people's motivation to lie about their level of risk.
If a soldier is called upon to donate blood in the field (speaking of which, that must be some emergency! They don't have any stored blood? Sure it doesn't keep that well, but I would think medical supplies are one of those things that people would logically place some logistical priority on in combat zones.) and he had engaged in sex with another male recently, he has huge motivation to lie and donate his high-risk blood anyway, because of DADT. Even suspicion of being gay could seriously screw up his military career. If he were allowed to serve openly, he wouldn't have as much reason to lie (though thanks to people like DOS he's still have quite a bit) and thus the other soldiers would be safer. Your argument defeats itself.
@Kat
do you have specific examples of blatant ignorance that were bothing you, or is it just the blind generalizations?
@ John
Do you mind if I use that the next time I have one of these conversations? Because it's pretty great.
6/15/2010 9:27:19 PM
#1168535
GodotIsWaiting4U
Of course, if open homosexuals are allowed into the US military, we'll be able to test and know if they're HIV-positive with no shame or stigma (necessarily) attached, allowing for safe blood transfusions, since we'll know who not to take blood from. Really, forcing them to keep it secret is what makes matters risky; if everything's out in the open most of the risks disappear.
Also, Kristine, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. You want to solve the problem? Get the troops the hell OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan, get them home, and KEEP them home.
6/15/2010 11:34:28 PM
#1168551
Kristine
Many people here have pointed to the HIV testing going on in the military. You're "obviously" missing the point:
There "obviously" is a big conspiracy going on in the American medical community, influenced by the Homosexual Agenda(tm): Thirty years ago, the APA removed homosexuality from the list of psychological disorders due do pressure from Homosexual Activists(tm); now "obviously" these same activists are putting pressure on military doctors to fudge the HIV tests in case the person tested is a homosexual. "Therefore", these tests are invalid.
6/16/2010 12:14:30 AM
#1168558
DOS Et AL
GodotIsWaiting4U
"Get the troops the hell OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan, get them home, and KEEP them home."
Then why the hell have an army? I suppose we should just surrender to Osama,and tell Kim Jong Ill that they can tell us to do what ever they want, right? Typical mind of a yellow belly naive Coward. Diplomacy? yeah the worked well before WWI and WWII...oh wait...
6/16/2010 12:52:17 AM
#1168560
WMDKitty
Bryan Fischer. WTF and move on.
6/16/2010 1:04:12 AM
#1168563
Kristine
@DOS: "Then why the hell have an army?"
For *defense*. You know: An enemy sends soldiers into the US, and American soldiers fight against them.
6/16/2010 1:15:20 AM
#1168564
some guy
I'd like to comment on the nationalism/patriotism thing: It's just racism with flags. I'd much rather see people fight over ideas and what not rather than the "knowledge" that they're better than anyone else because you were born on a specific patch of land because guess what, the guy you're trying to enforce that onto thinks exactly the same.
That said I don't have anything against soldiers on either side, only the ideas that motivate them. And I absolutely don't have anything against those people in Iraq or Afghanistan most of whom are just fighting to keep foreign oppressors out of their country.
Hell, if anyone tried to come to my country to set up a puppet govt. in order to exploit us I'd be right there trying to stop them. But not because of patriotism or nationalism but because of "those motherfuckers don't have the right to come here and try to control/exploit me so i'll give them hell and send them back in coffins or die trying"ism
6/16/2010 1:17:50 AM
#1168570
J.E.
"I'd like to comment on the nationalism/patriotism thing: It's just racism with flags. I'd much rather see people fight over ideas and what not rather than the "knowledge" that they're better than anyone else because you were born on a specific patch of land because guess what, the guy you're trying to enforce that onto thinks exactly the same."
Very well said "some guy". I would think that a large majority of the regulars here would agree that "religion" is but a leash with which the men of clergy hope to control the masses. "Patriotism" (which is essentially "territorial-ism" coated with the sweet semantic sugar) is a very similar control device employed by the politicians. Although in some ways it works better because of a far more tangible perceived threat.
6/16/2010 2:16:18 AM
#1168577
Swede
What does it matter if the HIV-infected person is gay or straight? The recipient of the blood might get HIV regardless of the donor's sexual orientation.
6/16/2010 2:43:21 AM
#1168586
Nowonmai
NO ONE who is HIV positive, male or female, hetero or homosexual, are allowed to serve in the military. Here's hoping this widdle fact makes you bwain go bewm.
6/16/2010 3:39:16 AM
#1168608
Orion
Kristine vs DOS: ITS FUCKING ON NOW!
Go Kristine! The lesser of two evils
(well evils is a bit harsh, but it's just a saying, you two have fun!)
6/16/2010 4:54:21 AM
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