Hey, picture the baby in a nappy, just able to get on his feet and he fiddles with the buttons on your dvd player. You shout at him that he must not do it. He turns his head towards you, smile but carries on doing what his not suppose to do. Sound familiar? where did he learn that... The seed of sin is already in him!!!!
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Yeah, stamp out any bit of curiosity about the world and everything in it as early as you can! Supress independant thoughts before they can be expressed! Beat them before they can walk!
Really, fiddling with the buttons on a remote isn't really a sin and you can't expect them to know they can't do it at that age. Hardly what I call 'innate immoral behaviour'...
Sin? SIN??? A child not yet knowing the difference between what he is and is not supposed to do is sin?
Fuck you and your religion.
I suppose instead of keeping the DVD player out of reach of the child and constructively telling him "No!" you probably beat the sin out of his backside with a belt.
Okay, picture an English-speaking adult (still in a nappy, if you want) about to touch a tree. You shout at him that he must not do it in the cat language. He turns his head towards you, smiles but carries on doing what he's not supposed to do. Sound familiar? Where did he learn that... The seed of sin is still in him!!!!
Not understanding everyone perfectly is a sin!
So, you're saying god created these poor infants with defects, deserving of Hell from the get-go?
Glad your sick bastard god doesn't exist.
Yeah, the baby is a precious gift from God up to the moment it's born, then it's an evil, sin-filled demon child.
Sick. Listen, a child cannot be naughty until about the age of three. He needs to both understand what you mean by 'no' AND have enough impulse control to go against his immediate desires, which a baby does not have. Up till then, just remove child from DVD player, or vice versa. Even after that, it's not sin, it's just learning how to get on in society.
What an idiot. Everyone knows you're supposed to physically remove the child from the DVD player, and keep a better eye on him, so he can't do it again.
It's not "sin" -- it's their natural curiosity.
Ummm, JCSM???? It's a baby.
Here's what you do JCSM. You can either go over and pick up the baby, and carry it to it's playpen...
Which one makes more sense?
Interestingly enough, most child psychologists would say different. It's more that the child is exploring his boundaries, and isn't necessarily mature enough to understand "no." It's not sin but immaturity that causes him to carry on.
While curiosity killed the cat, humans are innately curious about things. It's what drove us to explore the world and create. It's not the mythical concept called sin, rather it's part of human nature. If you don't want a kid to fiddle around with it, keep it out of their range or bolt it down plus the kid has no understanding of language yet so yelling "stop" at it doesn't help to much.
So through this we've learnt that:
Curiosity = Sin
As a matter of note to JCSM there, if you shout at a child for playing with things as innocuous as a DVD player then you are an asshole, and unfortunately your child has nothing particularly good to look forward to in the future of your parenting.
Yeah, you should've gotten an abortion... WHOOOOOOOOOOOPS!!
Or, you know, it's just a child.
Yes, because not being able to understand any language yet is evil! And not just not understanding language, but not having your brain physically developed enough to understand the concept of language!
Although, I thought it was the usual thing with the various child abuse clubs, er, I mean religions to at least wait for them to be out of nappies before putting the seed of sin in to them. But, since its probably a poe, timing is not of the essence.
The seed of sin? In a baby? It's thinking like this that allowed babies to be ripped from the womb, as happened in the religious wars; that allowed babies to be burned alive while still in their mothers' wombs as their mothers were condemned as heretics and witched.
Oh no, JCSM (Does that stand for Jesus Christ S&M, btw?), your kind of twissted thinking is responsible for far worse things than an innocent baby playing with something it cannot understand. You are displaying the Herod syndrome, arsehole!
You shout at him that he must not do it. He turns his head towards you, smile but carries on doing what his not suppose to do.
At that age I would be suprised if the child understood, or even even capable of comprehending what you were saying
Sound familiar?
Yes. It sounds like the behavior of a normal child.
where did he learn that...
Not all behavior is learned, some behavior, like the curiosity exhibited by the child in question, is inate to humanity.
The seed of sin is already in him!!!!
It's more like someone trying to manufacturing an excuse, any excuse, to discipline their child, likely physically.
"he fiddles with the buttons on your dvd player. You shout at him that he must not do it. He turns his head towards you, smile but carries on doing what his not suppose to do. Sound familiar? where did he learn that... The seed of sin is already in him!!!!"
Last time I heard, 'fiddling with the buttons on a DVD player' wasn't a crime so heinous, even worse than genocide, that it warranted eternal torture.
Right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity. It should be illegal.
Darn right! Just read the story of Adam and Eve and the serpent. God told them they mustn't eat the fruit. Why? Because it would make them smart. So He lied to them and told them it would kill them. The serpent knew better. He told them the truth: "eat the fruit - it won't kill you; it'll make you smart". So they ate. God was pissed because they weren't stupid anymore.
Ever since then, we've been paying for it. Now that we're smart, we manage hedge funds, create Internet start-ups, and make all kinds of money so we can scarf up sinful Porterhouses and slurp Hendrick's martinis at Peter Luger, ride sinful private jets for weekends on Nantucket Island and sleep with Satan's Own supermodels, instead of separating the 1 and 2 plastic at the recycling plant for $8.00 an hour and living in a double-wide as God intended.
"he fiddles with the buttons on your dvd player"
"The seed of sin is already in him!!!!"
Which reminds me - a few years ago, my friend (who lives at the other end of the UK) asked me to get him a DVD player (after I told him of an audiophile/video shop that had some high-end players going cheap), which I bought for him, and he refunded the money I paid for such.
It was stuck on Region 2 (UK), and he had some Region 1 (US) anime DVDs he wanted to watch on it, but with it being region-locked, he couldn't do so. Fortunately, said audio/video shop had supplied on a photocopied sheet, instructions to 'hack' the player's firmware (via the menu) to make it 'region-free' (Region 0), so any region discs could be played on such, so I fiddled with the buttons on the DVD player's remote to unlock it. He could therefore play said Region 1 discs on such.
Looking at the Ten Commandments, nowhere does it say 'Thou shalt not unlock the Region coding on DVD players'. After all, said baby may have been doing the same; you know how the youth of today take to technology immediately.
Your call, JCSM.
Quick, we must lock the kid in the basement and keep him on fire as long as possible.
Does this disgust you, crosshead? Then stop telling me your god is the perfect father!
This is just stupid. Babies aren't yet able to communicate. Hell, they barely understand that those sounds you make when you talk to them mean something. Baby still hasn't figured out that yelling "Stop that!" means to stop what he's doing. There is nothing sinful in doing something when you don't even understand that you shouldn't be doing it.
It's because the baby doesn't really understand that he shouldn't do it or why. He's curious. He's trying to figure out what happens if he does X. If you tried to EXPLAIN why not to do things, that MIGHT help, assuming he has language skills.
As I did on other topics, I will apologize for creating the sockpuppet, Command Prompt. It was supposed to be a parody of DOS (hence the name command prompt). I've already explained my reasons for this but suffice it to say I was trying a new approach to get through to DOS. If I've lost everyone's respect, well, so be it. FYI, I WAS intending on unveiling myself at some point.
Despite the idiocy of the origional statement. Most young children will not understand the word "No" or "Stop" but many should be able to pick up on the iflection in the voice. Thus, if you shout "No" at a baby, it will pick up the harsh tone of your voice, but not understand the words. Lastly, it is also good for your child to be curious and exsplore its surroundings and boundries. This generally leads to more well adjusted and creative children later in life.
Well you know what "god" says about disobedient children in Leviticus, don't you? Stone the little bastard to death.
You'd be doing him a favor anyway, because death is better than being raised by an idiot like you.
Chapter and verse from the Bible on where it says touching buttons on the dvd-player is a sin.
A toddler in nappies might not understand what you are saying, just that you are shouting at him for no apparent reason.
Or, you know, it's a BABY THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WORDS YET.
I swear these people stretch farther and farther . . .
I agree, but are you trying to argue for infant baptism? Because this i what I always hear Lutherans say; the same Lutherans who let gays run their church now.
I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is what's the problem? According to most Christian theologies all people are sinners and as such having a homosexual priest is no different from having someone who tells little white lies as priest or someone who has arguments with their parents as priest or someone who uses god's name in vain as priest, in fact, those three are worse as they violate the top ten laws that most Christians still follow (as opposed to the rest of the 603 which include homosexuality, dietary restrictions, slavery and other outdated laws). I'm not even going to go into the secular humanitarian problems with your argument as your theological problems are bad enough already.
Or one can simply situate said DVD player to ensure it's out of reach of said baby (on a wall rack, along with the Dolby Surround/THX decoder/amplifier, PVR, Blu-Ray recorder et al).
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Similarly, if God didn't want Adam & Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil, why did he even fucking put it there in the first place?!
Seems like the Serpent was the good guy in all this; despite God telling A&E that if they ate of said tree they would die, said Serpent proved God was a liar. Adam & Eve didn't die when they took a bite from that fruit. And if God is a liar from the very start, then all you fundies are liars too. You don't even have the right to have anything you say listened to - it's all a lie.
Ergo, the superiority of Atheism. QED.
A baby is TOO short to fiddle with buttons on a DVD player (unless it's at ground level). In which case, fucktard, you should have it in a storage rack or on top of the TV. Parents have to take SOME responsibility for protecting valuable electronics, not spout off bullshit about 'seed of sin', which is an excuse used by fundy maggots for child abuse. As if a baby can understand that. You have been reading WAY too much of Michael Pearl/James Dobson/Gary Ezzo/Don Wildmon BULLSHIT.
Get your head out of your ASS and away from those fundy turds, or you're likely to have CPS on your doorstep by the time your kid's in school, fuckwit.
When I was a baby, (like just walking) I put balogna in the DvD player. Anyhow, when a baby does something like that, it's because they're being a baby, not sinning or anything.
... picture the baby in a nappy ... he fiddles with the buttons on your dvd player. You shout at him ... He turns his head towards you, smile
Spawn of Satan! Stone him!
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