Actually, not bad analogy, the early riser bit. Not many of us have a problem with the 'early risers' ...Just the ones mowing their lawns at 6 am.
*That* would be more accurate in this case.
4/26/2010 5:25:59 AM
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4/26/2010 5:27:12 AM
How many times must it be said? Do whatever you want with religion, preach as loudly and as publicly as you want, but when it comes to government religion is off limits. Why is this so damn hard to understand?
4/26/2010 7:45:23 AM
Um, no, that's not it at all. We just don't want a federal law of a day of your religion being shoved down our throats.
4/26/2010 8:09:49 AM
I personally think it's an attempt to ease that gnawing feeling that there "IS A GOD", but "I don't want to know about Him, 'cause I'll be obligated to admit that I don't hold the reins!"
It's more like, "I know there's a monster under your bed, but what does it have to do with me?"
4/26/2010 8:57:12 AM
From the same guys who can't allow Muslims to pray in their mosques or freely practice their religion. So much for double standards.
4/26/2010 8:59:20 AM
It isn't that you believe there is a god that we find offensive. It isn't the fact your think prayer is effective we care about. It's the fact that a secular government spends our tax dollars proclaiming your faith that we object to.
If your churches want to declare a National Day of Prayer, we could care less. When it is the secular government of the United States that does it, it's a slap in the face to anyone who doesn't share your beliefs.
4/26/2010 9:16:59 AM
And the RR crowd were going nuts when the Muslims had prayers in Washington, DC. But yet they can't seem to understand why we atheists don't like government sanctioned prayer...
4/26/2010 1:26:14 PM
Actually, it makes as much sense as stopping your neighbor from coming by to wake you up and ask when you plan on getting out of bed.
4/26/2010 9:00:42 PM
"Makes as much sense as me trying to get my neighbor to refrain from getting up early just because I like to sleep late.
If I succeed, I have not done myself a bit of good, but neither is the early riser harming me by getting up early; so what's the point????"
You have just destroyed your own arguments against homosexuality, gay marriage, gay hospital visitation rights, abortion, feminism, all other religions, Twilight, Harry Potter and evolution. Rapture Ready no longer has a reason to exist. Move along, nothing to see here.
4/27/2010 3:32:11 AM
"No wonder God calls them fools!"
Psalm 14:1: 'The fool says in his heart, “There is no God'
The wise man says it with his mouth.
"I personally think it's an attempt to ease that gnawing feeling that there "IS A GOD", but "I don't want to know about Him, 'cause I'll be obligated to admit that I don't hold the reins!"
Atheism is the constant challenge to those who believe in a 'God' to prove that such exists. The onus is upon you to prove he exists after all; we Atheists don't have to lift a finger. But if you can't, then that only proves that a 'God' doesn't exist.All you have to do is prove us wrong, that's all.
That, and the fact we have total control of our lives. Especially thinking for ourselves.
Now who's 'holding the reins'?
'There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths.'
4/27/2010 6:30:20 AM
I read about the afterlife
"So he can fool himself into believing that there 'is no god'"
I didn't do a whole bunch of mental gymnastics. I merely thought: "Wait the bible was written by man. Oh shit. I guess the bible might not be true." I then looked at nature around me and saw no evidence of a God at work. Why would I dedicate my life to something that is unseeable, inaudible, and intangible?
4/27/2010 9:20:27 AM
How do you feel about having the Government endorse the National Day of Reason, whereby Americans of all faiths are urged to stay away from Churches Mosques and Synagogues?
This is also allowed under your interpretation of the first amendment.
You know, it's strange how Fundies ascribe motives to their enemies that their enemies deny. it's as if Fundies believe 'everybody is a liar'.
Yet honest people tend to believe in the veracity of others.
4/27/2010 10:33:58 AM
@ Mister Spak
4/27/2010 11:01:00 AM
Makes as much sense as me trying to get my neighbor to refrain from getting up early just because I like to sleep late.
If I succeed, I have not done myself a bit of good, but neither is the early riser harming me by getting up early; so what's the point????
Fundies fail at analogies. Let me help you out here. Okay, let's keep the early rising neighbor, but in this case s/he's demanded that the city council make a "Wake everyone up at 5:00 am" Day. Now, I don't care if the neighbor wants to wake up at 5:00 am, but s/he has no business waking everyone else up at 5:00 am. Got it?
4/27/2010 2:42:49 PM
We're not trying to stop you from praying. Youre welcome to do that all you want. What we don't want is the US government promoting your religion any more than any other OR the lack thereof. Therefore, a federally supported day of prayer is out of the question.
4/27/2010 3:00:25 PM
What a bizarre place it is inside your head.
4/27/2010 10:33:08 PM
But if the Hindus were to have a nationlized day of prayer the Christians would run around screaming about the "END DAYZ!"
You don't need a day for the government to recgonize your prayer. You do it every fucking sunday!
4/27/2010 10:59:30 PM
"Makes as much sense as me trying to get my neighbor to refrain from getting up early just because I like to sleep late."
You pretty much do that. You try and force your religion in everyone just because you need to beleive in something.
4/28/2010 7:39:36 PM
Because having a government-sanctioned National Day of Prayer promotes Christianity and pushes it down the throats of those who don't share the same beliefs.
8/29/2010 1:21:26 AM
The Constitution was a plot devised by atheist fools.....yes, right. Do you have any idea how lucky you are to have it, and do you know who usually bleats the loudest when they feel (usually wrongly) their rights under it have been infringed? Exactly.
And wrap your head around the notion once and for all that "secular" is not a synoynm for "atheist." There is a difference, go look it up.
8/29/2010 1:47:12 AM
Psst! Your double-standard is showing!
1/23/2013 6:53:20 AM
Oh? I'm sorry, I must have mised the part of the ruling where you were disallowed from praying. Because as I see it all the ruling said is that the government cannot sanction as day of RELIGIOUS prayer as it is not permitted to sanction religion. ANY religion.
And as for "try to stop others from doing what hurts them not," let me pose this to you. Yuo are there for your day of prayer, and an Imam comes to the front of the stage as the Islamic Call to Prayer is sounded. What would you do?
You'd shit a brick and scream persecution, demanding that they be silence. Immediately. Now let's say you drive by some little chael, and two men are walking out, arm in arm. What would you do?
Have a coronary on the spot, and start writing irate letters all the way up the line over how such an appaling display is against YOUR religion, and you should not have to stand for such a horrid display of sin. Funny how "Let us do what we want, as it doesn't directly affect you" only applies when it's you guys whining about getting your own way.
1/23/2013 10:06:10 AM
But if there'd be a muslim day of prayer, the raptards would complain because they're being persecuted, not because they're trying to convince themselves Allah isn't real.
3/10/2013 7:38:28 AM