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[Re: School cancels prom after a lesbian student seeks to attend with her girlfriend while wearing a tuxedo.]

Personally i agree with the school because i feel she was trying to go into a community where she knows moral convictions are against her lifestyle, and force them not only to admit her but to accept it as normal, essentially spiting in the face of the values of the community. She had no regard for their feelings on the issue. Its like sticking your nose some place it doesn't belong. Its sort of like a white supremacist going to a Harlem school demanding to wear a shirt with the confederate flag on it and swastikas, and then demanding he be allowed to do that every day, essentially saying "learn to live with it". People can always move, why do they have to force people to throw away their values and adopt theirs?

I won't expand on why i agree with the school other than i have my own reasons as well, so as not to get flammed here.

Observer, FSTDT Forums 86 Comments [3/18/2010 11:14:48 AM]
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aaa

We need Captain Picard to facepalm over this crap.

3/18/2010 11:22:29 AM

Misty

"I won't expand on why i agree with the school other than i have my own reasons as well, so as not to get flammed here. "

...Yea that's a winner line.

LET THE BARBECUE BEGIN.

3/18/2010 11:26:20 AM

WMDKitty

So the school should be allowed to enforce a wrong-headed (and outright HATEFUL) policy just to keep a bunch of inbred hicks happy?

Hasn't it occurred to anyone that the school is basically telling the students, "hey, these filthy lesbians ruined your prom" and, if not encouraging them, certainly INCITING THEM to potential violence against two girls who only wanted to enjoy their freakin' prom?

3/18/2010 11:26:24 AM

Atheissimo

Hey! Look! It's you in the 50s!

Personally i agree with the school because i feel she was trying to go into a white community where she knows racial convictions are against her skin colour, and force them not only to admit her but to accept it as equal, essentially spitting in the face of the racial purity of the community. She had no regard for their feelings on the issue. Its like sticking your nose some place it doesn't belong. Its sort of like a black man going to an Alabama Diner demanding to sit down with the white folks, and then demanding he be allowed to do that every day, essentially saying "learn to live with it". Black people can always move to black areas, why do they have to force people to throw away their values and adopt theirs?


3/18/2010 11:27:48 AM

Headache

People can always move, why do they have to force people to throw away their values and adopt theirs?

Because running away is a great way of solving any problems.

And no matter where she is moving inside USA, she will face the same prejudices and stupidity from inbred morons like you who are still wallowing in several thousand year old middle eastern mythology.

3/18/2010 11:28:52 AM

Lucilius

She isn't "trying to go into" a different community, moron. She lives there. She grew up there. She belongs there as much as the pigfucking inbred assholes you idolize.

3/18/2010 11:32:30 AM

Doctor Whom

Its sort of like a white supremacist going to a Harlem school demanding to wear a shirt with the confederate flag on it and swastikas, and then demanding he be allowed to do that every day, essentially saying "learn to live with it".

In other words, it's like what social conservatives call freedom of speech.

3/18/2010 11:41:46 AM

Sasha

If your community is afraid of a girl in a tux, you've got bigger problems than a high school prom. Talk about hysterical overreaction.

3/18/2010 11:42:53 AM

TGRwulf

Okay, admitting that someone different than you has rights is nowhere near the same thing as being forced to accept them or even like them.

Also, I love how they tell fucking HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS to move. Try living on your own with part time wages. It can't be done.

3/18/2010 11:45:32 AM

Sisyphus

And I suppose you'll personally foot the bill for the moving costs for her family right?

Buy them a comparable house, pay to have utilities moved, pay to have all mail forwarded, update their driver's licenses/registration, pay for moving costs themselves, pay for airfare et al for when they want to visit family and friends in the area they were forced chose to move from...

Or maybe you could just grow the fuck up.

3/18/2010 11:51:34 AM

Horsefeathers

"Personally i agree with the school because i feel she was trying to go into a community where she knows moral convictions are against her lifestyle, and force them not only to admit her but to accept it as normal, essentially spiting in the face of the values of the community."

Bullshit.

I suppose if she instead wanted to attend in a giant chicken costume and take her dog that it would also be reasonable for them to cancel the entire prom, right?

"She had no regard for their feelings on the issue."

And why should she?

"Its like sticking your nose some place it doesn't belong."

Which is precisely what the school and you are doing. It's none of their business, or yours who she attends with or what she wears.

"Its sort of like a white supremacist going to a Harlem school demanding to wear a shirt with the confederate flag on it and swastikas, and then demanding he be allowed to do that every day, essentially saying "learn to live with it"."

Other than being disruptive (what with his constant beatings) and quite stupid, I don't have any problem with it. He has as much right as anybody to express his opinions which is why the KKK and other such groups are allowed to hold public rallies so long as they have the proper permits and so on.

"People can always move, why do they have to force people to throw away their values and adopt theirs?"

Isn't that exactly what you're suggesting the girl do?

"I won't expand on why i agree with the school other than i have my own reasons as well, so as not to get flammed here."

Too late.

3/18/2010 11:54:02 AM

Mudak

Personally, I think the girl demonstrated tremendous personal courage. I mean, really, being gay in Mississippi?

I got news for you: it is normal. And I'll bet some of the kids in the school -- even if they're not sure of their orientation -- have tried what she's open about.

This is high school, after all....

3/18/2010 12:05:43 PM

DinosaurRidinJeebus

If you offend then you must stop. Such is the way of America right? Because the first amendment states "Let not anyone have speech or rights that offend others and let all conform to the moral standards of the religious right."

At least that's what you see when you read it.

3/18/2010 12:09:23 PM

Quantum Mechanic

"spiting(sic)"

"flammed(sic)"

You are doing fine on your own.

3/18/2010 12:11:56 PM

Dr. Shrinker

Hey, Mr. Love-shy Observer, for a guy who does a lot of whining about how people don't understand him and have no sympathy for him, you don't seem to have much understanding or sympathy for anyone else.

3/18/2010 12:24:06 PM

The L

How the FUCK is being gay in an area with a lot of prejudiced people in it anything at all like going to Harlem in a white hood?

The KKK are hated for a good and just reason--they seek to impose their idea of right and wrong on others by intimidating people.

Gay people aren't trying to make anyone else gay, or to intimidate anyone. They just want to live an ordinary life, like everyone else. Only, you know, dating the same sex instead of the opposite sex. I don't see how that interferes with anyone else's right to be heterosexual.

3/18/2010 12:42:26 PM

Wehpudicabok

This is what I find so bizarre about conservatism, right here:

"spiting in the face of the values of the community"

That's it in a nutshell. According to conservatism (and most fundies are just hyper-conservatives, or conservatives with no sense of logic), community values trump individual ones. If a community has an opinion, the individual cannot express a dissenting one. What's so weird about this is that this stance is considered in line with "traditional values" despite being exactly the opposite of the principles on which the USA was founded. The Founders were concerned chiefly with personal liberty. Modern conservatives, as much as they admire them, want nothing to do with personal liberty if it interferes with society. They have no respect for privacy or dissent. And what's so crazy is that they are the ones who claim to be the biggest champions of "freedom"! Apparently "freedom" means the freedom to agree with the Right.

On an unrelated note, I propose that the word "flammed" be interpreted as a portmanteau of "flamed" and "spammed", and that we hold the first flamming session by flamming Observer.

3/18/2010 12:46:00 PM

DevilsChaplain

Flammed?

3/18/2010 12:56:33 PM

DevilsChaplain


3/18/2010 12:57:41 PM

Philbert McAdamia

She had no regard for their feelings on the issue. Its like sticking your nose some place it doesn't belong.

tsk tsk tsk. They just don't see the irony, do they?


People can always move,

I saw her interviewed on the Wanda Sykes show. She said she intends to move to -- are you ready for it? -- Tennessee

Hmm, frying pan -- fire -- frying pan -- fire -- decisions, decisions.

3/18/2010 12:57:57 PM

Murdin

Two fucking words : [size=40]PUBLIC. SCHOOL.[/size]

3/18/2010 1:11:10 PM

John

She had no regard for their feelings on the issue.

Nor they for hers. If you're going to be a judgmental, holier-than-thou bigot, you have to expect to get push-back from the people you spit on. The fact that judgmental, holier-than-thou bigotry happens to be the values of the community doesn't excuse it (or the community). I'm sure Jim Crow was the "values of the community" in its day, too.

3/18/2010 1:23:43 PM



Dearie me, I'm so glad I live in Colorado. No one gave a crap when a openly gay guy became prom king, several girls wore tuxes, and someone was wandering around wearing a Batman costume one year. (Why wasn't my senior prom as cool as my junior prom??)

3/18/2010 1:43:01 PM

BobsOldSocks

"Its sort of like a white supremacist..."

No. It's nothing like that at all.

3/18/2010 1:45:50 PM

Doubting Thomas

Yeah, them damn gheys always disregarding the feelings of us homophobes. I mean, isn't it enough that we don't hunt them down and kill them any more? Now they want to dance together? What's this world coming to?

3/18/2010 1:46:27 PM
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