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#1130238
Sylvana
I am a little confused as to the full implications of dont ask dont tell. To my understanding it basically means keep your sexuality to yourself. Which to be honest seems pretty smart. Lets be honest, most of the people who sign up into the military are testosterone addled homophobic bigots, who would probably gang up on and beat the crap out of some luckless, openly homosexual person in thier barracks.
3/8/2010 11:19:32 PM
#1130241
The Jamo
Whoa man. You sure are tough shit. You're in the army AND you're afraid of someone looking at your ass. Yes, you are exactly the sort of person who should be watching other people's backs while you're preoccupied wondering whether anyone is checking out your posterior. Get a fucking life.
3/8/2010 11:30:54 PM
#1130248
raindrops
With filth coming out your mouth, your backside is the better sight.
3/9/2010 12:59:20 AM
#1130250
Hive
I need to know that my buddies are watching my back, not watching my backside.
But I bet you don't have any qualms about checking women out, do you? But god forbid some guy check you out, that would just be vomit-inducing.
3/9/2010 1:11:13 AM
#1130264
Following your logic, we shouldn't work. You know, we have to interact with other people sooner or later. Imagine if they are given separate places, how many orgies they may organise.
3/9/2010 1:50:06 AM
#1130277
the old firm
Take a look (according to Wikipedia) which countries ban Homosexuals in the military:
Cuba
China
Egypt
Greece
Iran
Jamaica
North Korea
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
Serbia
Singapore
South Korea
Syria
Turkey
Venezuela
Yemen
And take a look at the list where homosexuals in the military are allowed to serve:
Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bermuda, Brazil, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Russia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Uruguay.
And now tell me, which group do you think the US should associate with?
3/9/2010 2:10:09 AM
#1130307
Let me get this straight:
You're fine with gay men and women in the military, so long as you don't know who's gay and who isn't? But, if you're already as paranoid about homosexuality as you sound, then wouldn't you want to know who you were trying to avoid?
3/9/2010 3:40:49 AM
#1130309
Percy Q. Shunn
*taps armyman_83 on the shoulder*
Excuse me, but you seem to have a little gay on the corner of your mouth.
3/9/2010 4:11:01 AM
#1130337
Marc
Open Homosexuals within the ranks of the military is not conducive to high standard of work, esprit de corps, etc.
How so? An openly homosexual servicemember would be subject to the same rules of behavior as an openly heterosexual servicemember. Their behavior in the workplace or on the battlefield should in no way reflect their sexuality. At least, that's what we're taught in the Navy. I don't know how it is in other branches.
As an American Infantryman serving on Active Duty, I am whole heartedly against removing the "don't ask don't tell" policy.
Duly noted. However, you, like I, really have no say in what our Higher-ups decide. If the President (that is, our Commander-in-chief) tells us that gays are allowed to serve openly, then there's piss-all you can do about it.
Are homosexuals going to be given different quarters and latrines? They should, we don't allow women and men to shower together, neither should they force straight men to shower with sodomites.
The problem is, men and women aren't segregated because of their sexual preferences, but because of their physical differences. A gay male in your berthing/latrine is still a male. A gay female is still a female.
I need to know that my buddies are watching my back, not watching my backside.
Let me ask you this, armyman. Since you will likely call yourself heterosexual, when you are deployed with females, are you watching their backs, or their backsides? Personally, I look out for my female co-workers as much as I do for my male ones. My belief being that I need to focus more on the "co-worker" aspect and ignore the gender aspect. From your implication, you care more about watching the girls go by then you do about doing your job. That being the case, you are a piss-poor representation of our Armed Forces, imo.
Many people will not re-enlist if they remove this policy, or so I feel from a general concensus.
Actually, you may be correct. According to one poll I've seen, as many as 25% of active duty members will not re-up should DADT be revoked. While I understand that this is a problem for the Army and the Marines due to low manning, it's actually a boon for the Navy and Air Force, given how overmanned we are.
3/9/2010 7:34:32 AM
#1130338
Marc
@Sylvana
I am a little confused as to the full implications of dont ask dont tell. To my understanding it basically means keep your sexuality to yourself.
That's only part of it, I'm afraid. The remainder is that if one can be proven to be homosexual, one will be kicked out of the military immediately.
There is, to my knowledge, no equal restriction for heterosexuals.
3/9/2010 7:36:22 AM
#1130362
Wouldn't you rather know who they were and then you personally could avoid them? Granted, you'd gain the ire of your fellow soldiers (straight and gay) for not being part of the team, but you could.
3/9/2010 9:04:31 AM
#1130375
AuraTwilight
I don't know about you, but most gay men have better things to do with their time than watch your ugly ass. If they wanted to cruise for booty, they wouldn't be in the army.
3/9/2010 10:01:17 AM
#1130377
GigaGuess
@FSMpirate
I just find it funny...they stomp and say homosexuals are unworthy of serving their country, but the moment the military is not as they feel it must be, they rant and rave, and threaten to abandon their post. Fair-weather service?
3/9/2010 10:15:08 AM
#1130379
Alexander the Great
We need to talk.
Then you need to die.
3/9/2010 10:16:03 AM
#1130384
Originally posted by Sylvana
I am a little confused as to the full implications of dont ask dont tell. To my understanding it basically means keep your sexuality to yourself. Which to be honest seems pretty smart.
Keep in mind, one doesn't have to make a specific proclamation of his or her sexuality to be "open." Casual discussion of one's family life will bring it out, for example. You have a good idea that the guy talking about the wife and kids back home is heterosexual. Why should the gay man have to lie his civil union, marriage, partnership, or whatever it is that happens to be legal in his home state?
In any case, hiding who you are is rarely conducive to one's happiness and well-being.
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Originally posted by Marc
Many people will not re-enlist if they remove this policy, or so I feel from a general concensus.
Actually, you may be correct. According to one poll I've seen, as many as 25% of active duty members will not re-up should DADT be revoked.
Okay. But has anyone followed up by asking how many people have not enlisted to begin with specifically because of Don't Ask Don't Tell? And how many people will be more likely to enlist should it be revoked?
3/9/2010 10:33:09 AM
#1130413
@the old firm:
You have made an excellent point. I'm going to use that in argument next time. Thank you.
3/9/2010 12:05:35 PM
#1130419
Swede
Open heterosexuals is not conductive to military work either. Sex has no place in the military, at all.
@ Marc
The problem is, men and women aren't segregated because of their sexual preferences, but because of their physical differences.
I don't concur, I say it has something to do with sexuality.
What is the point of segregate due only to physical differences? We use the showers and the toilets in the same way, basically, and we dress in more or less the same way.
Plus, skin color is also a (small) physical difference.
What's the difference in the actual army between the "don't ask, don't tell" policy and openness policy, really? There are going to be many gays and bisexuals in the army regardless.
There will always be someone watching your backside. The openness makes it ok for everyone to mention their family, and the gays can concentrate on their military duties, instead of on NOT saying anything that might be constructed as gay.
Isn't the point with a consensus that it IS general? Kind of a tautology...
3/9/2010 12:46:31 PM
#1130434
You are bigoted twit. I served alongside some great people who just happened to be gay. I didn't care if one of them checked out my ass, I was more concerned about the morons (who more often than not just happened to be infantry) who couldn't seem to understand that just because I was a female didn't mean I wanted to fuck them. At the least the lesbians didn't try to make passes where there was no interest.
3/9/2010 1:40:34 PM
#1130441
MarshalltheIrish
"Are homosexuals going to be given different quarters and latrines?"
Yeah, back to segregation!
3/9/2010 1:52:41 PM
#1130442
Fanatic-Templar
"Esprit de corps"?
Gasp, that's French! Do you really want to associate the French with your army?
*Insert other French jokes.*
3/9/2010 1:53:49 PM
#1130458
The Bad Guy
Hahaha, the "don't ask don't tell" policy is what's keeping the gay guys in the shower with you. What a dumbass.
3/9/2010 2:15:14 PM
#1130609
Excuse me, sir. Do you know what DADT says?
Basically a homo can serve as long as they stay in the closet. In other words, they're already watching your backside you just don't know whose ass to kick because of it.
3/10/2010 4:23:23 AM
#1130920
edoherty
Yeah...Better watch your backside buddy- Because Gays only join the military to get LAID!!!
3/10/2010 2:20:32 PM
#1131979
Thejebusfire
Are homosexuals going to be given different quarters and latrines?
There is most likely a gay man in your quarters. If he wanted to risk everything to rape you "don't ask don't tell" wouldn't stop him.
3/13/2010 11:07:25 PM
#1166668
How did this babbling idiot qualify to serve in the first place?
6/11/2010 2:27:46 AM
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