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I wasn't born gay and neither were you. It was a path I chose, a sexually perverted choice on my behalf. If I was born that way, others, such as child molesters, drunkards, adulterers, thieves, could claim the same thing. Even if you think you were born that way, God still condemns it. He wouldn't make you that way and then condemn you to hell. It was your choice, so turn from it. Even if you still have the desire after you have repented, fellowship with Christians, personal prayer, and studying God's word will help you refrain and stay right with God. You may never have a heterosexual relationship and you may be single the rest of your life, but as stated above, life here on earth is a vapor. We aren't here long but we have heaven to look forward to if we remain faithful unto death.

Tony Horton, Why I left the Homosexual Lifestyle 119 Comments [1/8/2010 7:43:32 AM]
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Mudak

I'm a straight man, so I concede up front that I might not have the best POV on what I'm about to say here.

There's no shortage of people -- some of them fundamentalist Christians but others whose overall worldview just isn't wide enough to see beyond bedroom actions -- who hold gays and lesbians in such contempt (and are quite open about it) that I seriously can't imagine why anyone would want to subject him- or herself to that kind of treatment. I myself have never felt any sexual urges for another man, and, quite frankly, I don't want to watch my gay friends in the privacy of their own homes, but that's not the same as thinking any less of them, especially if they're happy with their lot in life.

Why should anyone be asked to compromise on whatever it is that makes them happy, provided that their happiness isn't at the active expense of the happiness of another person (so the serial rapist, pedophile, or murderer doesn't get free reign to do what they do...)

1/8/2010 10:45:11 AM

Cagoguy

I remember when I chose to be straight. It was a tough decision as the constant ridicule of being gay in the deep South was very attractive. How I envied the 1 or 2 gay kids at my high school who were openly gay. It was also tempting to have sex with lots of mean who I have no natural attraction to. But alas, I made the decision to be straight.

Gosh, it was such a tough decision to make.

1/8/2010 11:02:53 AM

Caretaker

I first realised that I was attracted to women as well as men when I was in grammar school. Please note, I went to a convent grammar school - all-girls and a surplus of nuns.

If you had any idea what it was like, to fancy a classmate - a friend - and to keep it a secret because you don't want to get beaten up and hounded every damned day you go to that school, you wouldn't talk about orientation as a choice. I was one of the lucky ones and kept it a secret. Other girls weren't so lucky.

If you've ever had to look a religious parent in the eye and tell them that you're not "normal", that you have a girlfriend (boyfriend in your case) then you would know that it's not a choice.

Being LGBT makes you a target. I've been lucky and others haven't. Some have lost their lives because of their identity. I don't know a single person whose life has been easier through being LGBT.

On top of all the trouble we've gone through in our lives, you want to tell people that it's a choice, that we are who we are on purpose. You want to take away our chance at happiness, make us "single for the rest of our lives". You don't want us to marry, you don't want violence and incitement to violence classed as a hate crime, you don't want us to be accepted. You want teenagers to be bullied without intervention. You want religious parents to kick them out or send them to 'gay camp'. Most of all, you want us to live without love because some ancient book says so.

I don't give a shit if you're gay or not. You're a fundamentalist; intolerant, bigoted and so full of hate that you want to take away the rights of others.

And then you call it kindness and charity.

Fuck you with a rake, Tony Horton.

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1/8/2010 11:04:31 AM

Mihangel apYrs

so honey, just when did youi make this decision, and why?

1/8/2010 11:09:50 AM

wackadoodle

Atleast he admits he's just parroting the church's lines about homosexuality and he'll never actually be heterosexual. Better than the bastards who drag some poor wife and their children down with them so they can 'prove' their straightness by showing they kept it up long enough with a woman to make babies.

1/8/2010 11:13:49 AM

MrsYoungie

I checked out his bio information. He didn't particularly feel called to stop being gay until he contracted AIDS.
Sad but true - he's still gay, he's just scared of the HELL that his mother warned him about when he was a kid.

1/8/2010 11:16:06 AM

John

Even if you think you were born that way, God still condemns it. He wouldn't make you that way and then condemn you to hell.

If you're referring to God of the Bible, sure He would. The Bible condemns hundreds of things. Paul said in Romans that everyone is guilty of doing one bad thing or another and all deserve hell.

1/8/2010 11:21:46 AM

Sisyphus

This makes me sad more than angry. I feel sorry for Tony.

1/8/2010 11:30:05 AM



Even if being gay is a choice it doesn't harm anyone.

If someone is born or chooses something that doesn't hurt anyone it doesn't matter.

1/8/2010 12:14:42 PM



Nope, he's got a point. Why would God make people he knows will molest children and then send them to hell? Why would he make children specifically knowing they're to be molested? Why would he make rapists and murderers and thieves, just to send them straight to hell for doing exactly what they were created to do? DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE, DOES IT?

1/8/2010 12:23:41 PM

Old Viking

I wasn't born liberal and neither were you. It was a path I chose, a politically perverted choice. And even if you think you were born that way, God still condemns it.

1/8/2010 1:09:16 PM



If his story is real, I have pity.

1/8/2010 1:16:11 PM

WMDKitty

Oh. Wow, man, that is just... wow. Someone's in denial.

1/8/2010 1:33:49 PM



Since it's a choice why can't all people choose to be attracted to their own sex?

1/8/2010 1:38:35 PM

IanC

Kinda feel sorry for this guy. Full of self hatred, thanks to those so called ex-gay groups.

1/8/2010 1:39:13 PM

Pedantic Twit

Fellowship is NOT A VERB.

1/8/2010 1:42:25 PM

Doctor Whom

@Pedantic Twit

Fellowship is NOT A VERB.

It is in Christianese.

1/8/2010 2:11:28 PM

Turtle

Yeah, well excuse me while I go throw up. This whole thing just makes me feel sick. The idea that anyone would make another human being feel like they were less than a person for something as trivial as sexuality, and turn them into someone who hates themselves and speaks out against people like them...

Humanity is messed up.

1/8/2010 2:22:52 PM

AuraTwilight

I love how these "gay is a choice" people seem to not know that bisexuality exists.

1/8/2010 2:30:45 PM

LDM

You're only deceiving yourself.

1/8/2010 2:36:56 PM

LOLWUT

Even if it is a choice, so what? Does that make it wrong? Of course not.

1/8/2010 2:58:20 PM

gayborn

I'm gay, in a 16 year monogomous relationship and very happy. I was born this way and will die this way. You are the one already living in a hell of your own making.

1/8/2010 3:34:49 PM

aaa

Kid, you aren't fooling anyone with that shit.

1/8/2010 3:45:15 PM

objettrouve24

There's that bizarre idea you people have about choice again. It's not really much of a choice if someone says "you can have this cookie, but if you take it, I KILL YOU!"

It's not really free will if you're threatened with getting punished in the extreme for something that isn't hurting anyone is it?

1/8/2010 3:48:36 PM

objettrouve24

Also, I really get the feeling that people like this just had a really nasty break up, or can't find a partner.

It just so happens Christianity tries to offer you a "lover" in Christ, who will never leave you. Sounds tempting to a person who can't get laid, or had a bad experience.

Sounds like a pretty cowardly way to deal with rejection to me.

1/8/2010 3:53:08 PM
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