[On whether Barack Obama may be an atheist]
Yeah, I’d hope for agnostic. Atheistic leaders dont have the best track record— Stalin, Mao, Hoxsa, Cruschev, Castro— I guess it has something to do with the whole denial of the basis for the universal and inalienable human value, dignity, and rights. Easier to trample all over people when you see them as the “unfit” rather than image bearers.
[“Easier to trample all over people when you see them as the “unfit” rather than image bearers.”
so an atheist can pick and choose when evolution is involved? arent we an evolved species? wouldnt we have fit/unfit species? isnt it in the best interest of the species to eliminate the unfit from the breed? so evolution is the controlling factor of life on earth— except when its not—?
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"I guess it has something to do with the whole denial of the basis for the universal and inalienable human value, dignity, and rights."
You really think humanity is worthless without God? That's horrible and insulting.
I can't imagine those ideals being anything but truly inalienable to the human species, regardless of whether or not God exists.
"isnt it in the best interest of the species to eliminate the unfit from the breed?"
That's not how natural evolution works. No species as a whole arbitrarily decides who is fit or unfit. No one decides what is beneficial and what isn't. If an individual can survive to adulthood, find a mate, and pass on their genes, that means they've got what it takes and they're doing something right.
Atheists don't deny human value, dignity and rights. Why? Because we're human, too, you dumbass. At least we don't judge people based on whether or not they're going to hell.
There's not a great track record with Christian leaders, either. That doesn't mean all Christian leaders are horrible, and having atheists in power do bad things does not mean that all atheists leaders are horrible.
> Easier to trample all over people when you see them as the “unfit” rather than image bearers. <
Right. We're supposed to see them as sinners, then it's not only OK to trample them, we're supposed to. We have to, because god himself hates them.
the whole denial of the basis for the universal and inalienable human value, dignity, and rights
I find it totally disturbing and more than a little sad that people feel life is worthless without some notion of god. That only through god can one have morality, compassion, kindness and fulfillment.
Easier to trample all over people when you see them as the “unfit”
You mean like how Christians and other religions dehumanize gays as filty, disease-ridden sodomites? Oh, the shiny, shiny mirror.
You need to study both atheism and evolution more. They do not mean what you think they mean. And they are not interlinked in any way.
As we humans are rather weak, with no fangs or claws or great strengt, no armour or hiding abilities, we have to work together to survive. So we developed compasion, empathy, and the ability to co-operate to PROTECT our weaker ones. We do not have six or seven cubs in a litter, we mostly have only one at a time, and it takes about two years before that one is self-sufficient enough to have the next. We seriously need to protect, not eliminate our "cubs".
And Bubba, species does not mean what you think it means, either.
They don´t pick and choose. It´s just that, unlike you think, evolution is a SCIENTIFIC THEORY, not a prescriptive moral code.
I third the props for actually managing to avoid a godwin. Pretty impressive, dude.
However, as for the rest of your post:image
isnt it in the best interest of the species to eliminate the unfit from the breed?
"Yeah, I’d hope for agnostic. Atheistic leaders dont have the best track record"
Right, because all of the leaders who believed in religion were so much better. All of the Khans, all of the emperors of europe, all of the shahs of the middle east, all of the Jewish kings and judges, all of the shoguns of Japan, Kaiser Wilhelm, Musolini, Hitler,..ALL believed in the traditions of their time and ALL believed in superstition/religion/god of some type.
The theory of evolution is not meant to be a model to live in society with..why cant you people get that through your thick skulls that it is SCIENCE. Does astronomy have a social code of ethics to live by? HELL NO..yet you people dont attack it..same with all other sciences. Stop mixing science with social politics you fucking ASS!
Atheism isn't evolution, evolution and atheism have nothing to do with why those leaders were dicks, communism did, and agnosticism IS atheism.
I can haz athiest prezdent, plz?
Seriously, if you demented cunts had your way, the human race would likely have died out by now. You'd all be so desperate for someone to turn against, you'd wind up killing each other.
"the universal and inalienable human value, dignity, and rights" is not given by a god, not yours or anyone else's. It's found by recognizing that other people are a lot like me.
Species, evolution, fitness and humans don't work that way.
What the hell does any of this have to do with whether or not Obama is Atheist?
And I'm really not seeing the fundie in this one (and no I'm not one of the ones going around screaming "this aint fundie") Stupid definitely, not knowing definitions definitely, But wheres the doctrine that he's clinging to?
As forisnt it in the best interest of the species to eliminate the unfit from the breed?
I think Dawkins said it right when he said Darwinism was excellent as a scientific theory, but stupid and destructive as a public policy.
Moreover, Social Darwinism is, in many ways, the opposite of natural selection, because it was always done with intent and design - things evolution is in some ways DEFINED by not having.
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