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#1086437
Richard
1. No-one ever said 'just' another animal, if we are animals, we are extremely rare in terms of intelligence and imagination. as far as we are aware we may be the only intelligent life in the universe. But that does not make us 'special' in the eyes of a mystical creator.
2. Every religion in the world has always thought of itself as "inspired truth" which essentially makes christianity, exactly the same.
3. If we belittle anyone who opposes evolution, it is tantamount to us belittling a person who believes that the sea is made up of unicorn urine as opposed to salty water.
4. Which is only bad if you think an absolutist moral system is the only possible way for humanity to have ethics.
5. Seriously, back this one up with evidence now. You can't just make claims up whenever you want to make a point. I think thats classed as bearing false witness.
1/3/2010 7:45:13 AM
#1086438
Richard
[Edit] Oops posted twice.
1/3/2010 7:47:11 AM
#1086441
Brenz
Funny how you argue there ARE absolute morals, and yet it's conservatives who start all the wars.
1/3/2010 8:05:30 AM
#1086442
Brenz
Funny how you argue there ARE absolute morals, and yet it's conservatives who start all the wars.
1/3/2010 8:05:31 AM
#1086443
Horsefeathers
"Atheists use biology and religious studies classes to:"
Teach biology and religious studies. Of course, it's not only atheists who do this. Then again, that's not what your impotent little rant is about. No, instead it's about your delusional ideas of how some grand atheist conspiracy against your precious Christianity is unfolding.
"1. Instill the idea that man is just another animal."
Humans are "just another animal," jackass. If it weren't for our intelligence we'd be extinct by now. Even with our intelligence it's amazing we're not.
"2. Suggest that Christianity is "just another religion," not inspired truth"
It is, "just another religion," you jackass. Tell me, what separates your religion from some primitive uncontacted tribe in the deepest, darkest jungles who goes around worshiping rocks, trees and his dead ancestors?
"3. Belittle those who hold viewpoints opposed to evolution, atheism, or liberalism in general"
Trust me, I don't need a biology or religious studies class to do that. If you don't particularly enjoy being belittled then perhaps you should not act as if you, and only you, hold The Truth™ and stop denying reality, common sense, human decency and the fact that you have no evidence to support any of your claims.
"4. Establish that there are no 'absolute' morals, and belittle those who think there are"
Give me an absolute moral position. I'm pretty sure that just about anything you can think of there has either been a society who accepted it or individuals who espouse the benefits of it no matter how bizarre, distasteful, harmful or insane it might be.
"5. Hide the facts connecting atheism to crime, poor mental health, and suicide"
Those facts are not hidden as they do not exist. If you believe they do, please provide them and cite your sources.
1/3/2010 8:05:43 AM
#1086450
Mihangel apYrs
after a certain point it just isn't worth commenting, except to say that if this crap is being considered objective teaching material, then I fear for the education of some Americans
1/3/2010 8:19:36 AM
#1086473
Ken
Wow. A religious course that studies... religion. *shocked*
1/3/2010 9:24:10 AM
#1086491
Painful
"4. Establish that there are no 'absolute' morals, and belittle those who think there are "
Yeah, I remember debating a protestant seminary student and just about made his head explode because I contended one could believe in a higher power, but not absolute or universal truth. Of course, you really had to be there because sitting around us were a Cambodian Buddhist, a Hindu, and an atheist. All of whom loved me and thought he was a dick for many reasons. Funny memory though. Too bad it seems all christians believe in "absolute morals" but rarely remember that "love" part.
1/3/2010 10:20:48 AM
#1086520
Antichrist
So, we're going to end up as the Conservapedia back up site now?
1/3/2010 11:11:48 AM
#1086522
Doctor Whom
1. But that's true.
2. But that's true.
3. If people can't present evidence without making you feel belittled, whose fault is that?
4. Yeah, 'cause we all know what a moral relativist Ayn Rand was.
5. It's pretty easy to hide "facts" that don't exist.
In short, you Constipedians can't even win an argument against your own straw men.
1/3/2010 11:24:22 AM
#1086545
Regarding moral absolutism, morality based on the ever-changing will of god is not absolute. It's sort of the opposite.
Regarding the so-called 'hidden facts,' if you claim they're hidden, your followers will never require you to find them. Funny how that works.
1/3/2010 12:31:34 PM
#1086549
J.T.
Atheists use biology and religious studies classes to:
We use biology to teach lessons about biology, nothing more.
And what the fuck do you mean we use religious studies classes for anything?
1. Instill the idea that man is just another animal
We are animals. What do you think we are, plants? Fungi?
2. Suggest that Christianity is "just another religion," not inspired truth
When you understand why you reject Islam, Hinduism, Scientology, and all other religions ever made, you will understand why we reject Christianity. Your religion is no more of an "inspired truth" than any other religion.
3. Belittle those who hold viewpoints opposed to evolution, atheism, or liberalism in general
No, not unless you start shoving your beliefs down our throat and presenting them as fact, despite the huge amount of evidence for our side and total lack of evidence for your side.
4. Establish that there are no 'absolute' morals, and belittle those who think there are
We don't really try to belittle anyone unless they're insane. You know, like Schlafly.
5. Hide the facts connecting atheism to crime, poor mental health, and suicide
We don't have to hide those "facts" because there are not facts. Only 0.2% of all people in jails identify as atheists, compared to something like 80% who identify as Christians. And that's just about crime. You have absolutely no statistics equating atheism with poor mental health and suicide.
1/3/2010 12:39:20 PM
#1086566
Old Viking
Regarding #5,once again I offer my favorite:
US Prison Population: 2 million
Christian: 80%
Atheist: 0.02&%
Nos. 1 through 4 are perfectly correct.
1/3/2010 1:04:47 PM
#1086591
Berny
Another decade and more fail from Conservapedia, the encyclopedia for retards.
Nothing new here.
1/3/2010 2:02:39 PM
#1086613
Hoo boy...let's see:
1. Well, we certainly aren't non-living objects, plants, fungi, bacteria or viruses, so the category of "animal" fits us pretty well.
2. It is. There are many religions that are older than it, and the vast of majority of religions teach the same basic concepts (ie: compassion).
3. Provide a well thought-out argument with evidence backing it up against them if you want to be taken seriously. The Bible is not evidence. Also, liberalism has done many great things for society, such as permitting people who aren't straight white men to vote.
4. Morals vary from culture to culture. Anthropology would be a good place to discuss their origins, however.
5. There is no proof of this. Anyone can be stricken with mental illness (including suicidal depression) and anyone of any faith or lack thereof can commit crimes for whatever reason.
1/3/2010 2:46:05 PM
#1086681
Punch
I'm so crazy from doing crime I want to kill myself.
1/3/2010 3:46:19 PM
#1086692
1. Instill the idea that man is just another animal
Look up the definition of 'animal', we match it perfectly.
2. Suggest that Christianity is "just another religion," not inspired truth
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof/evidence. So far Christianity has given us very, very little. And in some cases the 'inspired truth' of the Bible contradicts its own 'inspired truth'.
3. Belittle those who hold viewpoints opposed to evolution, atheism, or liberalism in general
Yeah it kind of happens if you try to talk shit about something you know jack all about, kinda like the Banana Man (Ray Comfort)
4. Establish that there are no 'absolute' morals, and belittle those who think there are
All you have to do is leave your little section of America to see this. Homosexuality, capital punishment, torture, and many other issues have vastly different viewpoints based on the country you are in and you social environment. Saying it doesn't and moral are absolute can only be from someone who has never left their little sheltered home.
5. Hide the facts connecting atheism to crime, poor mental health, and suicide
Statistics of Atheists in prison says your wrong.
1/3/2010 3:54:03 PM
#1086967
Zoo
1. This is a logical conclusion I came to through my own reading (animal cognition particularly) and experience with a variety of animals (yes, snakes are more like you than you want to believe). If anything you get the idea that humans are something special taking a look at typical beginning science curriculum.
2. Again, a conclusion I came to through my own reading about various religions (and it was completely incidental to the intent of the research I was doing).
4. I came to that conclusion through experience, as has pretty much everyone else on the planet. There are ways to determine moral actions other than having a list of rules, such as the golden rule you probably try to claim as your own but never use.
See, even if that is what "atheists" are "using" factual classes for, it doesn't work if you're not willing to consider it. I was taught at church my whole life that I wasn't open to those ideas, so I wasn't. When I stopped accepting that restriction (which came of realizing what -I- was and wasn't about, rather than what I was told I was and wasn't about), I could see those things -without- anyone's help because they're a logical extension of what I already knew. I simply stopped setting a boundary for applying logic.
1/3/2010 9:57:21 PM
#1087191
Mister Spak
Christianists use physics and religious studies classes to:
1. Instill the idea that man is made of dirt.
2. Suggest that Christianity is not a religion, like everyone elses superstition.
3. Belittle those who hold viewpoints opposed to bibleism, chistianism, or stupidism in general.
4. Establish that you have to do what my imaginary friend says, and belittle those who think their imaginary friend can beat up your imaginary friend.
5. Hide the facts connecting christianism to crime, poor mental health, and suicide.
Fixed.
1/4/2010 6:40:32 AM
#1087213
Max
1. Instill the idea that man is just another animal
Thats because we are.
2. Suggest that Christianity is "just another religion," not inspired truth
Thats because it is.
3. Belittle those who hold viewpoints opposed to evolution, atheism, or liberalism in general
We have tried to reason with you but...
4. Establish that there are no 'absolute' morals, and belittle those who think there are
See 3
5. Hide the facts connecting atheism to crime, poor mental health, and suicide
explain why there a re more christians than athiest in the US prison system?
1/4/2010 7:10:38 AM
#1087719
Darwin's Lil' Girl
*Sigh* I'd make a witty reply, but it would go over Conservapedia's collective head.
1/4/2010 4:21:37 PM
#1088195
Doubting Thomas
Aside from #5 here, they're pretty much correct. But how many atheists are attending religious studies classes? As an atheist, I avoid religion as much as I possibly can.
1/5/2010 12:21:49 PM
#1091729
Tyler
1) We are. We're just more evolved.
2) It is.
3) If you mean belittling people who act like idiots, then yes. Your mirror is particularly shiny today.
4) Moral Relativism, bitch.
5) Except that there aren't any.
1/10/2010 3:45:27 PM
#1091817
Actually, the ratio of atheists to Christians in prison is disproportionate. There are fewer atheists in prison than they represent in general, and more Christians serving time than their law-abiding counterparts. And no one really denies most of what else you're saying.
1/10/2010 7:25:27 PM
#1094254
Saccharissa
>>Atheists use biology and religious studies classes to:
1. Instill the idea that man is just another animal <<
"I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
"For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity." (Ecclesiastes 3:18-9)
1/13/2010 5:26:10 PM
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