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#1086309
Jingles
Yeah, yeah, sometimes, sort of, no.
1/3/2010 12:05:16 AM
#1086313
1. Yep.
2. Yes indeed.
3. I usually wait until after class.
4. If you are talking about your own 'divinely inspired' morals in your biology class or using your religious studies class to bellow about how all the other religions are wrong, I can see how belittling might occur.
5. And we have hidden those facts where you will never find them.
1/3/2010 12:10:40 AM
#1086318
Tolpuddle Martyr
First, show me a fact connecting atheism to crime, poor mental health and suicide!
1/3/2010 12:15:43 AM
#1086321
Equalist
"1. Instill the idea that man is just another animal"
Which is true...
"2. Suggest that Christianity is "just another religion," not inspired truth"
More truth, as much as the christains refuse to admit it.
"3. Belittle those who hold viewpoints opposed to evolution, atheism, or liberalism in general"
When you start spouting your bible crap in a science class, it's not belittling or persecution when we tell you you're wrong.
"4. Establish that there are no 'absolute' morals, and belittle those who think there are"
Of course there are absolutes, like murder and rape are wrong, it's just you assholes that think you have a monopoly on them.
5. Hide the facts connecting atheism to crime, poor mental health, and suicide
You mean the facts that atheists are the lowest population in prison, and are more likely to seek treatment for mental health issues and suicidal thoughts than fundamentalists?
1/3/2010 12:24:19 AM
#1086322
quinky
1. Instill the idea that man is just another animal
Yeah, that's why we have lots of classes based on the humanities.
2. Suggest that Christianity is "just another religion," not inspired truth
Which is, of course, exactly what they must suggest in a school.
3. Belittle those who hold viewpoints opposed to evolution, atheism, or liberalism in general
If by "belittle" you mean "question" and that the questions go the other way as well, sure.
4. Establish that there are no 'absolute' morals, and belittle those who think there are
See 3)
5. Hide the facts connecting atheism to crime, poor mental health, and suicide
How do you use classes to hide anything?
1/3/2010 12:26:01 AM
#1086330
myheadhurts
Except for #5... so?
1/3/2010 12:38:57 AM
#1086334
Semi-Christian
The funny thing is that these points also work if you switch Christianity and Atheism....okay, maybe not.
1/3/2010 1:00:21 AM
#1086341
WMDKitty
You are; It is; Only when you deserve it; Uh, no, we oppose you forcing your religion on others; LOL, sorry, that's YOUR lot!
1/3/2010 1:21:23 AM
#1086348
Caustic Gnostic
1. Not 'just another animal', but an apex predator.
2. Inspired truth has nothing to do with religion.
3. Belittle those who crap on reality, sure.
4. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is about as absolute as anyone would need.
5. Back at you.
1/3/2010 1:55:46 AM
#1086352
Swede
The first four are correct. The fifth has no ground in reality, so no need to hide it.
Actually, the end of the fourth one is not correct. Atheists have better things to do than to belittle people who think differently than them. Each person is free to think for him- or herself. You have the right to believe in "absolute morals", if you want to. But you do NOT have the right to force that belief onto others.
1/3/2010 2:14:09 AM
#1086355
Quantum Mechanic
Retardapedia is more like it.
1/3/2010 2:17:33 AM
#1086356
GodotIsWaiting4U
1. Man is "just" another animal. Carolus Linnaeus, a CHRISTIAN CREATIONIST scientist, established this; he was the first to classify humans as primates, based solely on observed traits. He had never heard of biological evolution because the concept didn't yet exist.
2. Christianity is just another religion, not inspired truth. Prove me wrong.
3. Evolution and atheism have nothing to do with liberalism. Not that there's anything wrong with any of the three.
4. There are no absolute morals in the sense that morality is not objective. Does that mean you can do whatever you want? No, because we've established that societies are generally beneficial to everyone, and things that harm society will be met with, at the very least, scorn.
5. No such facts exist. Prove me wrong.
1/3/2010 2:19:47 AM
#1086362
John_in_Oz
You seem to have a duplication there. You've got the same article under 'vegetarian' and 'sanity'.
1/3/2010 2:39:31 AM
#1086367
Zimmer
Nice slippery slope argument there.
Let me guess... number 6 is going to be about how atheist governments (like Communist Russia and Nazi Germany, naturally) killed lots of people?
1/3/2010 3:21:18 AM
#1086374
Biology is the study of nature. If it contradicts your ideas, it´s your fucking problem.
1/3/2010 3:41:30 AM
#1086396
LDM
There is some truth to the first four, but on the fifth, it's more like we're trying to wake people up to the facts connecting religion to crime, poor mental health, suicide, substance abuse and domestic abuse.
1/3/2010 4:36:29 AM
#1086398
A Pedant
5. Hide the facts connecting atheism to crime, poor mental health, and suicide
I have a conviction for a serious offence, and at the time of my offending I was a devout and committed christian. The rational thinking that leads to rejecting fairy tale realities is a key part of my rehabilitation. No god and no person being killed 2000 years ago can take the responsibility for my wrongdoing, it will always be entirely on my shoulders, and thinking otherwise is perhaps the most dangerous part of christian thinking.
1/3/2010 4:38:42 AM
#1086401
Eden
Establish that there are no 'absolute' morals, and belittle those who think there are
Something that your own religion repeatedly proves.
In the bible slavery and genocides are seen as O.K., especially if god orders them. The bi9blical oasages concerning slavery were also seen as justification by american landowners, to possess black slaves.
Christians nowadays however seem to find slavery morally wrong.
Same goes for the idea that a woman is property of her husband and has to obey him. Something that is expessed in numerous passages of the bible. Well, I don´t think that you can convince many people (in the western world) that such a thing is still morally O.K. today
;)
1/3/2010 5:04:55 AM
#1086402
the old firm
What do atheists in religious studies classes? Oh, they are there against their will to be indoctrinated? So you're complaining about teenagers who debate their point of view? And are better at it than you? You have my pity. (I know that there are other reasons for atheists in religious studies classes, but this was just to alluring.^^)
And of course, obligatory regarding Conservapedia: "Citation needed"
1/3/2010 5:12:52 AM
#1086408
bbq burrito
Goddammit the nazis were not atheists! (see OP)
And they were not Darwinists!
This is something atheists and non-creationists will have to combat, unfortunately. It's just too widespread.
1/3/2010 5:48:38 AM
#1086409
bbq burrito
1/3/2010 5:51:01 AM
#1086411
WWWWolf
> 1. Instill the idea that man is just another animal
Well, biology certainly doesn't suggest anything to the contrary.
> 2. Suggest that Christianity is "just another religion," not inspired truth
Existence of other religions must be a pain in the neck for you. They all claim they have the Truth.
> 3. Belittle those who hold viewpoints opposed to evolution, atheism, or liberalism in general
Why should anyone belittle them? More often, I've find the opponents to those ideas react negatively to criticism themselves.
> 4. Establish that there are no 'absolute' morals, and belittle those who think there are
People who say morals are absolute, in actuality, think there are some things that are relative. People who say morals are relative, in actuality, think that there are some things that are absolute. The point is, morality here in the real world isn't either strictly absolute or strictly relative. There are things that people commonly agree are very damn bad, but there are also things that can't be judged against some strict moral code.
How's the Biblical two-fibers-mixing restriction faring these days?
> 5. Hide the facts connecting atheism to crime, poor mental health, and suicide
Well, all is fine then, because, frequently, so do the theists too.
1/3/2010 5:57:47 AM
#1086421
Pule Thamex
One needn't do a great deal of instilling because it's obvious that man is just another animal, albeit with a more complex brain than other animals. It's just certain drooling incompetents who rather consider themselves to be some sort of lofty, noble, almost spiritual beings made of earth or dust and existing far above the lowly realm inhabited by other animals. Of course, such drooling incompetents will pull from their main thinking organs, their arseholes, idiotic lists consisting of a combination of truisms, delusions, projections, lies, misunderstandings, and wishful thinking.
Such proud, though asinine beasts, likely think that this special provenance of theirs means that they are closer to, and more closely resemble, an all-powerful, fictional, authority figure whom they snivelingly worship like scurrying gutter-rats over-awed and frightened by the sudden appearance of a snarling and rabid mongrel with an obvious taste for gutter-rat.
1/3/2010 6:44:09 AM
#1086423
szena
Wait, so classes are used to teach facts? How dare they!
1/3/2010 7:00:21 AM
#1086431
The L
Items 1, 2, and 4 are not bad things.
Items 3 and 5 are bullshit.
1/3/2010 7:08:39 AM
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