Speaking in tongues, does this happen to Muslims?
I have witnessed Christians speak in tongues, if God and Christianity do not exist and people doubt this, how can this happen? I want to know what you think about this.
And Muslims if you doubt and deny Jesus Christ how can you explain this? Members of Islam have you ever witnessed this gift in Islam (the ability to speak to god one-on-one), if not does that make you question which religion is the truth?
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"Members of Islam have you ever witnessed this gift in Islam (the ability to speak to god one-on-one)[?]"
Actually, yes. Muslims are required to speak to God one-on-one. Five times a day, IIRC, while facing Mecca.
Dipshit.
Ich spreche deutsch, rwy'n siarad cymraeg, and I speak english, how many would you like? But then I'm not a christian so I don't suppose it counts.
Oh and by the way, muslims don't deny Jesus they just don't give him the same status as you do.
"I have witnessed Christians speak in tongues"
So has anyone who watched Andy Kaufman as Latka on Taxi .
Also, when apostles "spoke in tongues" they were understood by everyone (Acts 2). The people you saw can't be understood by anyone, that's why you have to pretend it is some unknown "language of the spirit", etc.
So, you've not witnessed people speaking in tongues, you've witnessed people speaking in gibberish.
Glossolalia, or "speaking in tongues" as retards put it, is pure gibberish. I have seen atheists doing it and it is just as meaningless as when Christians do it. The only difference is that delusional Christians think it's a mainline to god.
The same goes for those idiots that have seizures and flop around on the floor in church.
There are MANY explanations for glossalalia. Also, yes, speaking in tongues occurs in Islam, and no, it's not the ability to speak to god one-on-one.
Wait... Wait... I can feel it now... yes... here it comes... be ready... I will now talk one-on-one with god in a divine language
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That was great! God is fine, Jesus is out banging Mohammads nine year old wife.
Speaking gibberish, reading gibberish, and now, writing gibberish. Yep, it must be the one true religion in action.
"Speaking in tongues, does this happen to Muslims?"
No. Even the most insane radical Muslim is not insane enough to try this stunt.
"I have witnessed Christians speak in tongues, if God and Christianity do not exist and people doubt this, how can this happen?"
I don't know. Why don't you try asking someone who practices Voodoo after they've been "ridden" by a Loa and flop around spouting gibberish. They might know.
"I want to know what you think about this."
I think it's bullshit. I also think it's amusing in a sad and pathetic sort of way. I also think it's a cry for attention and acceptance from people desperate to be "special" who know that by doing such a thing they'll have praise lavished on them from their deluded congregation.
How's that?
"And Muslims if you doubt and deny Jesus Christ how can you explain this? Members of Islam have you ever witnessed this gift in Islam (the ability to speak to god one-on-one), if not does that make you question which religion is the truth?"
Probably not any more than you question it when they ask you similarly asinine questions.
Living where I do, I have to use three languages on a daily basis. I also have another four languages that are good for reading writing and conversation. So I suppose I speak in tongues - except that what I say makes sense in all of them, unlike glossolalia, which is idiotic babbling that fools ascribe to the Holy Ghost. I suspect that is probably blasphemous, but I don't let it bother me.
"...if God and Christianity do not exist and people doubt this, how can this happen?"
Mental illness and/or brain damage.
"...which religion is the truth?"
None of them.
I have witnessed Christians speak in tongues, if God and Christianity do not exist and people doubt this, how can this happen?
Funny how a Russian speaking in tongues sounds completely different from an American. Heaven has more than one language? Oh, and I used to speak in tongues, if I was making it up how was it that people could still "understand" what I was saying?
Acts 2 4-8
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Menya vsegda zabavlyal tot fakt, chto eti ludi absolutno uvereny v tom, chto skazannoe na neizvestnom im yazike deistvitelno imeyet smysl.
Wow, I can speak in tongues, too! Strange thing is, I'm not even Christian.
Frankly, I have witnessed Christians speaking in tongues. It was complete gibberish.
If someone who had absolutely no knowledge of Mandarin suddenly spoke it fluently, I'd be impressed. Babbling like lunatics is just embarrassing.
Here's how glossolalia works in a typical Pentecostal church:
First, PERSON A stands up and begins talking in gibberish.
Then, PERSON B stands up and screams, "I have been given the gift of understanding Person A's speech by the Holy Spirit! She's saying we need to have more faith in God, and that we need to support this Thanksgiving's canned food drive!"
Then, the CONGREGATION yells, "Hallelujah! They both have the Gift of the Holy Spirit! Praise Jay-zus!"
Clearly, a miracle has occurred. <rolls eyes>
Speaking in tongues is nonsense. It's just incoherent babbling done by religious people to make it look like they have a special line to God or something.
Here's why I know it's fake: They always only do it in church when they're with their fellow religious nutjobs, and probably in more cases than not it's just a way to either fit in or outdo Bob Smith in the next pew over. But you never see them slip into babbling in "tongues" when in the checkout line at the grocery store.
Secondly, the "tongues" they speak in always sound like gibberish like "Blip bo beep bop" and has NEVER been found to be an actual ancient language. But you never see them slip into French, Spanish, German, Arabic, or Chinese which presumably would also be God's languages.
Lastly, the whole idea of "speaking in tongues" would be a totally useless miracle on God's part because unless there's someone there to understand the language you're speaking, you might as well be babbling away in Pig Latin. Which ironically would be easier to understand than gibberish. But speaking in tongues to nobody at all is perfectly useless. It serves no purpose at all except to impress your fellow fundies that you are "filled with the Holy Spirit." It's about as useful a message as people who see Jesus in a water stain on the wall.
Oh and by the way, I actually did see a Catholic priest start speaking in tongues during a mass. He was leading the mass normally and eventually started speaking gibberish. It turned out that he had suffered a stroke.
If you are referring to the Biblical, "when I talk everyone hears it in su own native language" speaking in tongues, then prove it's ever happened.
If you are reffering to the "ABBAGABBAFLABBAJABBA" speaking in tongues, then yes, a latent desire And no, being able to speak gibberish in public is not a gift from God. (See also: Ramma-Lamma-Ding-Dong, Zig-A-Zig-Ahh, and Goo-Goo-Ga-Joob.)
"which religion is the truth?"
'Speaking in Tongues' = talking religious bullshit.
Q: When do you know a fundie is talking bullshit?
A: His/her mouth is moving.
Ergo, 'truth' = lies. QED.
Scientific Facts = Reality.
Facts > 'truth'. After all:
'What's true, is true for you.'
-L. Ron Hubbard, founder of $cientology.
Funny how a Russian speaking in tongues sounds completely different from an American.
I read about a study where someone recorded Christians from various countries "speaking in tongues," and then analyzed their utterances. The study revealed one very illuminating fact: the phonemes that each Christian spoke while in this hysterical state were always restricted to the language(s) that he or she normally spoke. For example, No English-speaking subjects ever used the click-consonants found in the South African languages (such as Xhosha). No Spanish speakers used phonemes that are not found in standard Spanish (such as the "sh" in "ship" or the "j" in "jam").
Also, no utterances were found to have "words," or clusters of phonemes, that occured regulary, like "the" or "to" in English.
The study's conclusion was this: glossolalia is a form a hysteria, nothing more.
@ Jim,
I was thinking of the same study.
To be honest, I'd love to go into one of these meetings and start praying in another language, then when somebody started "understanding" stop and actually say "What the hell! I was just praying in my native tongue!"
Yes, I was voted as most likely to be burned at the stake.
I used to speak in tongues,back when I was a kid. I was too lazy to pray,so i just spoke gibberish until my mom was satisfied. I think most people who speak in tongues are faking it--the others,the one who are sure that what they're doing is real,have mental problems.
Because only Pentecostals do, misinterpreting one of the Gospel fragments and, for that matter, in America, where nobody speaks any other language except English.
As a person who speaks five languages, I will tell you that you have misunderstood the passage that advocates that. First of all, the Disciples spoke in completely normal languages,so that the Jews who were not Aramaic speakers could understand them. Real language, not a babbling nosense which means nothing, which is what people "speaking in tongues" in America do.
Speaking in toungs is no different than my five oyear old nephew pretending to speak spanish, when he doesn't actually know the language. You just string together random letters, and make nonsensical words. It's easy to explain.
this guy should look up Sufi mystical healing in which Sufi Muslims go into a trance like state, wound themselves (sometimes badly) with sharp objects, fire, and snakes, and apparently experience little to no ill effects. maybe ree needs to reconsider how that's possible if christianity is the one true religion. can you explain this ree? why would jesus christ allow sufi mystics to insert knives into their scalps or be bit by snakes and suffer almost no bleeding or apparent pain?
Most accounts date several centuries ago. At the time, most people spoke local dialects, and knew next to nothing of foreign countries. Anybody could piece together dialect, national language and mock-latin heard in church, and pass it for "speaking toungues"
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