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[Distind Note to clear things up:
Yes, there are atheist fundies. Just because I agree with your basic stance doesn't mean you can't still manage to be an idiot, or even a fundie. You'll note the explicit mention that one does not have to be religious to be a fundie in the definition found in the FAQ]

Eric Conway is a twit and shouldn't be allowed to think, he might give himself a hernia. All religions, including Catholicism, are evil and immoral, encourage non-thinking and obedience to the words of mentally insane old men. Old men who are filthy in mind and scrabulously deranged. Old men who condone the scribblings of older generations of demonic goat-molesters and propagate their sheer ignoble idiocies through asinine speech or moronic drivel masquerading as religious text.

Religion is especially harmful to children and governments, and should be decried at every opportunity, even banned.

Pule Thamex, FSTDT Comments 191 Comments [5/11/2009 8:43:36 PM]
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Kevin Klaw

I submitted this.

I'm a frequenter of FSTDT and have submitted material before, most of which was from Christians. The first one I get published was from an atheist on FSTDT. Who knew?

This is fundie. He has irrational ideas about religious people. Let me take you through them:

All religions, including Catholicism, are evil and immoral
The Ten Commandments, bitch. I know what you're probably going to say, but if one looks at the bible as a good (if a bit outdated)instruction manual, then we can say the problem with a lot of religion today is from the improper use and exploitation of the bible in lieu of actually following the rules.

...obedience to the words of mentally insane old men. Old men who are filthy in mind and scrabulously deranged.

These "mentally insane" and "scrabulously deranged" old men were actually pretty good storytellers and poets. Does Pule even read the parts of the Bible that don't offend him?

Old men who condone the scribblings of older generations of demonic goat-molesters and propagate their sheer ignoble idiocies through asinine speech or moronic drivel masquerading as religious text.

...because nobody who works for the church actually believes what they are saying. Right.

Religion is especially harmful to children and governments, and should be decried at every opportunity, even banned.

I don't think I even need to comment on this, do I?

Full disclosure here, I'm a liberal Lutheran. On the other hand, I also hold a healthy amount of cynicism and skepticism handy to protect myself from nutcases. That's also why I frequent FSTDT. I often get good laughs and "oh my God" moments from these quotes.

5/12/2009 2:27:02 PM

Nightjaguar

Man, FSTDT, way to have double standards

In what fucked up world is showing both a Christian suggesting a ban on atheism and an atheist suggesting a ban on religion a double standard?

5/12/2009 2:50:41 PM

Crazalus

@Nightjaguar

The fucked up world is where there are people defending the Atheist while attacking any Theist that suggests a ban...


Yes, we have two-faced hypocrites... and they don't seem to like it when you point that out to them.

5/12/2009 3:12:40 PM

Little Natty Fattikins

Sheesh! What's next? Should we post and comment on everyone who ever says "DIAF" or suggests raping fundies in particularly painful ways?

No wonder the person who submitted Pule's post didn't provide his or her username. If I had stooped that low, I'd be ashamed to leave my username as well.

Suggesting banning religion in response to some funditard suggesting criminalizing atheist thought seems fair to me. And, it's only a joke, not a serious declaration of intent.

Lighten up, bitches!

5/12/2009 3:14:27 PM

Antichrist

I really don't know what to say here. Pule went on a rant, I'm sure we've all sounded like fundies time to time. Even Pule gave a "yikes" to his own comment, so it doesn't sound like it's his regular thought pattern.

5/12/2009 3:17:17 PM

Kevin Klaw

@Little Natty Fattikins

I just commented here and said it was me who submitted it, you fuckwit.

5/12/2009 3:20:20 PM

Drax

Meh, let's face it, we all feel like this at times....we're only human. It's a bit over the top, sure, but we all go a bit too far sometimes.

5/12/2009 3:25:04 PM

CrazyRoper

I guess I'm going to go against Pule (and some of the others who agreed with most of his rant) and say that religion is not necessarily evil/immoral.

Actually he pretty much sounds like a complete douchbag...unless this is satire.

5/12/2009 3:34:35 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Nah, declaring something a "thought crime" aint gonna solve the world’s problems. The overly religious taught us that back in the days of Galileo, you should have listened.

5/12/2009 3:49:25 PM

Pule Thamex

OK. Just to clear up a few points, since people have been wondering. Anyone who has read my comments on FSTDT for the last seven or eight months will know where I'm coming from. But, in case you don't know, I'll tell you.

Obviously, it would be impossible to ban what people think. Indeed, Rapture Ready and the like are enormous sources of hilarity. They are stupid morons, but they are also funny-ha-ha.

Thanks to those who have found entertainment in my comments and who have come out in support.

To those po-faced rapscallions who have been offended and call me a fundie. Ha ha ha. Actually, I appreciate you too. But just... ha ha ha!

You know religion is purely a matter of belief in, or enjoyment of, fantasy. Nothing wrong with that. Except for the fact that mild religious observance does, perhaps unintentionally, give support to the raving monsters of fundieland. Because, when all's said and done, religious belief is irrational whatever the degree of virulence or fervour of its supporters.

To let you know exactly where I stand, without being specific in each case, but I love peace, happiness, friendship, family, friends, the arts, the sciences, goodness, love, compassion, freedom of expression, rugby, sex, beer, women, humour, and long lists.

What I dislike:- bigotry, hatred, bullying, zealotry, violence, persecution (not what the pathetic, whinging, religious wank-stains call persecution, but the real thing), misogyny, etc, well you've probably seen enough of my long lists of things I don't like by now in previous comments to get the general idea.

Certainly, I do like a bit of a rant now and again. And yes, I do think that religions are evil and I don't think children should be indoctrinated in to becoming God-zombies. There are no gods, demons, angels, etc.

As Cox & Dicks are wont to say, more soon, love Pule.

5/12/2009 4:08:06 PM



@#954471/Kevin Klaw

I submitted this.

Pity.

I'm a frequenter of FSTDT and have submitted material before, most of which was from Christians. The first one I get published was from an atheist on FSTDT. Who knew?

Apparently FSTDT's current voters aren't terribly discerning.

This is fundie. He has irrational ideas about religious people. Let me take you through them:

Sigh. Does he mention religious people other than Eric Conway, or the concept of religions? You know, literacy's something most grade schoolers learn.

The Ten Commandments, bitch. I know what you're probably going to say, but if one looks at the bible as a good (if a bit outdated)instruction manual, then we can say the problem with a lot of religion today is from the improper use and exploitation of the bible in lieu of actually following the rules.

That's it? A set of relatively tame laws makes the Bible a-okay? Keep in mind there's plenty other rules set down in the book, including ones that condone slavery, say that eating shrimp, wearing cotton polyblend and being born gay are evil. As if this weren't bad enough, this is a set of laws handed down by a deity who has committed genocide, infanticide, and ordered the deaths of countless war prisoners, including children.

But even if you just look at the Bible as a 'good instruction manual', why exactly do we need it? The majority of the 'good' rules in there are common sense, like say not murdering.

For someone defending this pathetic submission, you're not off to a good start.

These "mentally insane" and "scrabulously deranged" old men were actually pretty good storytellers and poets. Does Pule even read the parts of the Bible that don't offend him?

Um, see above. By the same token, do you even bother to read the insane shit that's in the Bible? And Pule isn't talking only about Christianity, he's talking about the concept of religion in general. Religion by definition is based on faith/belief, which exists without any kind of evidence. When you choose to live your life on a belief system contained in a book for which there is no concrete, scientific backing for the events described within, you have a serious problem.

...because nobody who works for the church actually believes what they are saying. Right.

That wasn't his point. Are you illiterate? People can be fractally wrong about something and still believe their ideas to be the truth - it doesn't make them any less wrong.

I don't think I even need to comment on this, do I?

You should have, considering the bit about banning is the only thing where Pule isn't totally right, and you've yet to even make a good defense of this insane submission as being fundie. He may not even have been calling for legislation of banning, but simply suggesting as a response to the fundie who called for criminalizing atheism that religion deserves more of a ban if anything.

Full disclosure here, I'm a liberal Lutheran.

Don't forget your possible illiteracy and vast wealth of idiocy.

On the other hand, I also hold a healthy amount of cynicism and skepticism handy to protect myself from nutcases. That's also why I frequent FSTDT. I often get good laughs and "oh my God" moments from these quotes.

Funny, I'm getting one of those right now.

5/12/2009 4:16:14 PM



@#954483/Little Natty Fattikins

Suggesting banning religion in response to some funditard suggesting criminalizing atheist thought seems fair to me. And, it's only a joke, not a serious declaration of intent.

Lighten up, bitches!


Little Natty Fattikins has hit the nail squarely on the head. All of you idiots claiming that Pule is fundie make me ashamed to look at FSTDT. What have you people become?

5/12/2009 4:19:10 PM

Crazalus

You know religion is purely a matter of belief in, or enjoyment of, fantasy. Nothing wrong with that. Except for the fact that mild religious observance does, perhaps unintentionally, give support to the raving monsters of fundieland. Because, when all's said and done, religious belief is irrational whatever the degree of virulence or fervour of its supporters.

All religions? Are you sure you want to go down that road?

Certainly, I do like a bit of a rant now and again. And yes, I do think that religions are evil and I don't think children should be indoctrinated in to becoming God-zombies. There are no gods, demons, angels, etc.

And religions that DON'T teach a damned thing about that kind of thing? Are they evil too?


Think very carefully before answering that Pule...

5/12/2009 4:22:02 PM



@Crazalus

Ooooo, oooo! I know the answer to this one!

All religions? Are you sure you want to go down that road?

Yes. Religions are based on 'faith' and 'belief' which are not the same things as 'evidence'. If I started worshipping unicorns and claimed they were real because I had 'faith', how would that be any different? And if you're still unsure, can you think of something beneficial only religion could ever accomplish that no sane, peaceful secular society could?

And religions that DON'T teach a damned thing about that kind of thing? Are they evil too?

Think very carefully before answering that Pule...


Yes. Seriously, this took all of like a few neurons.

When you base your life's beliefs/goals on something for which there is no observable, testable evidence, what kind of road are you going down? Why don't we all start worshipping unicorns? I could write a nice long book detailing rules about unicorns, and how to worship them, and it'd be just about as credible as the Bible or the Quran.

At best, religious belief is perhaps harmless, but silly. At worst, it opens a gateway to acting on delusion, leading to horror. We've already seen countless times in history what religion can do in the hands of the fanatically insane, and that's not counting stuff like the Spanish Inquisition or 9/11. Why do we cling to religion when it could very well happen again, and does nothing really of benefit for society? Why can't we be nice to each other because we're all humans, instead of doing it just because the Bible says to?

5/12/2009 4:31:22 PM

Papabear

I was with you up to the comment about "demonic goat-molestors." A. There are no demons and B. You have no evidence showing they actually molested any goats.

While I agree religions are especially harmful to children and often result in terrible government policies, to ban it would be infringement upon people's right to be painfully stupid, and people are entitled to that right.

5/12/2009 4:40:17 PM

Crazalus

Yes. And if you're still unsure, can you think of something beneficial only religion could ever accomplish that no sane, peaceful secular society could?

Red herring... or is it moving the goalposts? Actually, it's both...

Are all religions evil? Is my belief (which does fit the definition of a religion, even though it's vastly different to what is commonly known as a religion) evil?

Again, this needs answering... and if you say yes, simply because of a label, you're a fundie.

When you base your life's beliefs/goals on something for which there is no observable, testable evidence, what kind of road are you going down? Why don't we all start worshipping unicorns? I could write a nice long book detailing rules about unicorns, and how to worship them, and it'd be just about as credible as the Bible or the Quran.

Not all religions are life beliefs/goals... which is something that needs to be taken into account before making such flawed generalisations...

Again, without knowing ANYTHING about certain religions, including whether they fit the definition YOU use... are all religions evil?

At best, religious belief is perhaps harmless, but silly. At worst, it opens a gateway to acting on delusion, leading to horror.

ALL religious belief? Again, you know nothing about the many different kinds of beliefs there are... yet you declare them all to be the same. This is something that, when a Theist says it, is jumped on with glee... yet you say it and think it's fine.

Are you hypocritical, or just ignorant of what you are doing?

Why do we cling to religion when it could very well happen again, and does nothing really of benefit for society? Why can't we be nice to each other because we're all humans, instead of doing it just because the Bible says to?

See above... unless you know about the many different kinds of beliefs that are classed as religions, rather than the narrow definition you are running with (the big religions seem to define it for you) then you're just lumping everyone in under a label, then judging them on it...


And how is that not Fundie?

5/12/2009 4:41:36 PM



"We all spend time in this forum bashing these idiots that believe in sky fairies"

If that's why you're here, then you're here for the wrong reason.

We're here to bash FUNDIES. This isn't "Religious People Say the Darndest Things", this is "FUNDIES Say the Darndest Things".

Repeat after me: This is an anti-fundie site, not an anti-religious site.

There you go. Was that so hard?

5/12/2009 5:39:27 PM

Caretaker

All religions, including Catholicism, are evil and immoral

This is what we call 'militant atheism'. Only your preferred Sky Fairy knows how many religions there are, let alone personal spiritual beliefs, and the odds of every single one of them being evil and immoral are actually not that great.

I agree that fundies shouldn't be in power, that children should be raised without religious indoctrination, and that the Abrahamic faiths are headed by drivelling old men whose preference for beastiality is, while a baseless accusation, something we at FSTDT could well believe of them.

I do not believe that every religion is evil and immoral, or that religion merits banning. It is, as somebody already pointed out, "that step too far".

Feeling that Pule went too far will not lead to a nuclear apocalypse, John - get a grip, please. Taking pot-shots at fundies is what we do, but to behave like one deserves no apologetics. It deserves recording as what it is: a step too far.

Frankly, I'd hope that this will merely serve as a reminder to everyone of a similar mindset that to respond to a fundie comment in the mouth-foaming, wildly-generalising manner of a fundie yourself will be seen for what it is and treated as such.

Those who are defending it would do well to take a step back and think objectively. How many Rapture Ready posters would rush in to defend any of their fellows' comments? How many people would say "you're a hypocrite" because we quoted them? (If memory serves, two already have.)

Let's put it another way;

Atheism/homosexuality/socialism is especially harmful to children and governments, and should be decried at every opportunity, even banned.

The majority of religious people are harmless. Ditto atheists, ditto gays... Do you see where I'm going with this?

5/12/2009 5:39:58 PM

Grigadil

All you people who kneejerked to the "even banned" comment are hypocrites.

I would very much like to see the roman church go down. Perhaps then, all its bastard children will die.

5/12/2009 5:47:33 PM



"All you people who kneejerked to the "even banned" comment are hypocrites."

How so?

5/12/2009 5:51:44 PM



@Crazalus

Again, this needs answering... and if you say yes, simply because of a label, you're a fundie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

If your 'belief' is like many of these in that they claim deities/messiahs to exist for which there is no existence, then yes, your beliefs are stupid. Likewise, I've never heard of worshipping something scientific like evolution - normal people do not worship things. Worshipping implies putting something on a pedestal, away from being able to be criticized, which is silly. In religion, it leads to uncritical thinking, in government, it leads to fascism.

Essentially, the question of whether or not willful stupidity is evil or not is a hard to answer, but either way it doesn't change the fact that any organized religion has yet to conclusively provide evidence for its claims, be it Christianity, Islam, or Scientology. Hell, religion doesn't even serve a practical purpose. It does not do something that we could not do without. I am pointing out that even in the worst case scenario that the beliefs in 'God' turn out to be false, religion ends up accomplishing nothing. This is a far cry from being either a red herring or moving the goalposts. The word 'religion' is irrelevant, it is what is implied by worship, specifically the religious kind of worship, the act of believing in something for which there is no evidence that I am arguing against.

Not all religions are life beliefs/goals... which is something that needs to be taken into account before making such flawed generalisations...

You are defending the more mainstream religions Pule is referring to by drawing on very vague definitions of what a 'religion' is. It almost sounds like you're including something like moral codes into the idea of religion, something Pule had not even touched on. For the mostpart, when you think of a religion, you think of theism, myths, rituals and worship. Again, what Pule is against (and I for that matter) and referring to when he says 'all religions' here is anything that promotes the belief in something for which there is patently no evidence, like deities, with priority on those which ends up consequently hurting or killing people as a result, as Jehovah's Witnesses do by teaching their children to refuse blood transfusions.

Is this really that hard to see?

ALL religious belief? Again, you know nothing about the many different kinds of beliefs there are... yet you declare them all to be the same. This is something that, when a Theist says it, is jumped on with glee... yet you say it and think it's fine.

I never 'declared them all to be the same'. I am defending Pule's definition of 'all religions', where he alludes to the larger, mainstream religions. You are making a poor defence by blanket terming even vague beliefs or ideals/goals as 'religion', something Pule is OBVIOUSLY NOT REFERRING TO when he talks about the 'words of mentally insane old men', clearly implying theistic religions, obviously alluding to mainstream ones like Christianity and Islam with their Bible and Quran.

See above... unless you know about the many different kinds of beliefs that are classed as religions, rather than the narrow definition you are running with (the big religions seem to define it for you) then you're just lumping everyone in under a label, then judging them on it...

And how is that not Fundie?


I was defending Pule by the way that Pule had defined 'religion', essentially talking about organized mainstream religion, or one that makes claims of absolute certainty in textual form with no evidence to back it up. You are trying to claim I'm lumping this in with even the most spurious use of the word 'religion' to include simply moral values that people choose to call a 'religion', not something most would refer to as a 'religion'.

But since your only defense appears to be BAWWWWWWWW YOU'RE OVERGENERALIZING then I'll make it easier for you - instead of 'all religions' read it as 'all beliefs for which there is no scientific credibility or evidence, like those with deities or those which set out rules like eating shrimp is evil, or promotes faith without reason'. There, happy?

5/12/2009 5:56:16 PM



I would very much like to see the roman church go down. Perhaps then, all its bastard children will die.

A lot of us would, but unfortunately banning religion is banning thoughts. We can't force people's beliefs to be surpressed, or we'd be no better than they are, we'd lose the thing that makes our society so great - freedom to speak and think.

Unfortunately, that also means giving people the freedom to be extremely stupid. Education is our only weapon in this case, lest we destroy everything we've worked for.

5/12/2009 5:58:52 PM

Grigadil

Strangle the bible-pimps with their own guts, and the sheeple will wander away, perhaps to grow.

Banning religion = banning thought?

Nope. Au contraire.




5/12/2009 6:03:49 PM



Banning religion = banning thought?

Nope. Au contraire.


If we banned religious belief, they'd just see themselves as martyrs, making the problem even worse. :/

5/12/2009 6:09:13 PM

Nightjaguar

Crazalus,

The fucked up world is where there are people defending the Atheist while attacking any Theist that suggests a ban...

Even granting this as true then FSTDT is not the one having "double standards", just some commenters. If you read the comments here you'll find many people do actually consider this to be "fundie" and no one has yet to defend his point of banning religion.

Also, commenters finding a quote not to be "fundie" isn't unique to atheist quotes. Search the comments and you'll find many theist quotes where with comments like "not fundie".

Finally, while I do consider this to be "fundie" it much less "fundie" than the original quote. The theist calls on atheism to be a "thought crime", asks what kind of ideology gets it kicks criticizing others while criticizing atheists, and finally quotes the-next-shopping-mall-shooter Vox Day. A direct comparison isn't fair.

In the interest of full disclosure I'm an atheist.

5/12/2009 6:11:36 PM
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