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tor·ture –noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
Waterboarding and the wall thing do NOT even fall under this definition. These things scare the bad guys not harm them. It does not cause excruciating pain. It is uncomfortable at most. We scare the information out of them because they are cowards and will give it up easily.

Ripping a baby from the womb is excruciating and is sheer cruelty and possibly revenge either for the baby being there, or for the woman getting pregnant.

Therefore what happened at GITMO = discomfort.

What happens to babies ripped from the womb = torture.

josh1313, RR 58 Comments [4/29/2009 8:53:46 PM]
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#947826

"Waterboarding and the wall thing do NOT even fall under this definition. These things scare the bad guys not harm them. It does not cause excruciating pain. It is uncomfortable at most."

Care to try it, then?

4/28/2009 11:16:40 AM

#948701

Mattias

Alright, lets all take john1313 from his home at night and simulate the sensation of drowning. Don't worry, its a little bit uncomfortable, but he'll make it.

4/29/2009 5:18:19 PM

#948781

Rallymodeller

Lemme guess. You'll be right in line after Sean Hannity to show it's not that bad, right?

Right?

Hello?

4/29/2009 9:06:38 PM

#948784

Dio Fa

Pain comes in more flavours than the merely physical. I suppose that guy who was waterboarded over 180 times was a total wuss. After all, the procedure was merely uncomfortable.

Take a concrete block, tie it around your neck, and go for a swim.

4/29/2009 9:14:11 PM

#948785

Eden

UN-Definition of Torture:
any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions.

Therefore the interrogation practice at Gitmo definitely falls under the UN-Definition of torture;)

4/29/2009 9:16:31 PM

#948787

Ken

An embryo has no feeling. They can't even feel discomfort, unlike war prisoners.

4/29/2009 9:20:07 PM

#948788

The WHHAAAMMMM Burglar

NURSE! GET THE STRAY JACKET, ONE OF THEM ESCAPED!!!!

Holy jeebus on a stick covered in beer batter, looks like we have a grade A nutzo on our hands. Lets overview this:

“tor•ture –noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.”

Definition fail. An act of torture does not require a motive, such as punishment or revenge. Only the wanton to commit the act is required.

TOTURE INCLUDES MENTAL SUFFERING YOU IDIOT.

Scare tactics can be used to induce mental suffering. GITMO uses these as well as other methods, such as sleep deprivation, regardless of UN charter or human rights.

Waterboarding is an act carried out to obtain a confession. As many have known, drowning is a painful experience. I suggest josh1313 try it sometime. A few people might actually help out with that endeavor.

A better method would be the application of psychotropic barbiturates for interrogation purposes. I would be possible to calculate a nonlethal dose based upon body weight and estimated metabolism.

4/29/2009 9:25:41 PM

#948790

Nowonmai

Embryos and fetuses aren't 'babies. Fail one

Your second fail is not using ALL of the definition, just trimming it to fit your Fundie mentality.

n.
1.
a. Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
b. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.
2. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.
3. Something causing severe pain or anguish.
tr.v. tor·tured, tor·tur·ing, tor·tures
1. To subject (a person or an animal) to torture.
2. To bring great physical or mental pain upon (another). See Synonyms at afflict.
3. To twist or turn abnormally; distort: torture a rule to make it fit a case.

We scare the information out of them because they are cowards and will give it up easily.

Yeah, that's why it took 183 times on one guy, right?

4/29/2009 9:26:42 PM

#948793

Mudak

Depending on when the abortion is performed, the little cluster of cells has no nerve endings so there wouldn't be even a bit of pain to the zygote / embryo.

Other people have offered to waterboard josh1313, but I'm not even sure that's necessary. There's clips of a lot of people who willingly underwent the procedure of waterboarding to see for themselves. While I'm sure that anything Christopher Hitchens says would be taken with a provebial lick of salt by the Rapture Retards, but he's probably got the best, most level-headed attitude towards the process, both before and after they did it to him.

The only thing about this post that surprises me is the fact that this guy did not point out that the word 'excruciating' is related to the word 'crucify.'

4/29/2009 9:39:54 PM

#948796

Syb

If it's uncomfortable at most, why *use* it?

Do we really think that these are the type of interrogators who are going to use the comfy chair as the last resort and then send them all home if they didn't submit to that fiendish plan?

4/29/2009 9:45:29 PM

#948797

Painful

Comparing this to abortion is crazy, but I also have to agree with Chris Titus's stand on "torture" and what went on. Basically he says if it can get you into a frat, then it is isn't torture.

4/29/2009 9:55:00 PM

#948798

Waterboarding makes you THINK YOU ARE DROWNING. YOU THINK YOU ARE DYING. And if they do it long enough, you WILL die.

4/29/2009 10:01:20 PM

#948800

Dark_Lord_Prime

"We scare the information out of them because they are cowards and will give it up easily."

If they will give up the information easily, why do we need to scare it out of them? o_O

4/29/2009 10:07:04 PM

#948805

aaa

Oh dear, somebody is asking for it.

4/29/2009 10:19:31 PM

#948820

WMDkitty

Waterboarding, etc == TORTURE

Abortion =/= TORTURE

4/29/2009 10:49:11 PM

#948821

Lord X

If they were cowards and "gave it up" easily, we wouldn't need to waterboard them in the first place!

4/29/2009 10:49:54 PM

#948824

Mintywolf

Waterboarding was considered torture and a war crime when done in WW2 to American POWs. Can't have it both ways just because it's done to someone on the opposite side.

4/29/2009 10:51:11 PM

#948830

atrasicarius

1. You cant "rip something from the womb" thats smaller than the dot on this i.
2. Pain requires a nervous system.
3. We'll be happy to waterboard you if it's just "uncomfortable."
4. Go DIAFF

4/29/2009 10:56:10 PM

#948833

Dexter

If others do it...
WE have to be enraged, WE have to show OUR disgust AND moral superiority. Bcuze WE ARE THE GOOD ONES.

If we do it...
Oh well, this isn't really torture. Oh c'mon, this is just a teenyweeny inconvenience. We just scare them... a little.
Oh ok, ok it is really uncomfortable, but WE HAVE A VERY GOOD REASON FOR THIS.

*shows finger*

4/29/2009 11:03:00 PM

#948840

Cobby Moggy

The fundie notion of torture, apparently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe38dzJYkY

4/29/2009 11:27:41 PM

#948842

HoJuSimpson

Guys, I think this is what they think waterboarding is

4/29/2009 11:42:51 PM

#948846

Swedish Pagan

Pain can be both physical and mental, you know. And if you check another dictionary, that one might say "to inflict pain or instil fear of pain or death."

Wikipedia: Waterboarding It is considered a form of torture by legal experts, politicians, war veterans, intelligence officials, military judges, and human rights organizations. As early as the Spanish Inquisition it was used for interrogation purposes, to punish and intimidate, and to force confessions.

Ripping a fully grown baby from the womb is abuse and torture, yes. Being born the natural way is probably torture for the baby too. Administering a drug in the first trimester that makes the lump of cells detatch from the walls of the womb is not torture. The lump of cells do not have a conscousness yet.

4/29/2009 11:58:59 PM

#948857

nutbunny

You have described waterboarding as uncomfortable. I so hope you are waterboarded so as to understand what it actually entails you cruel, sadistic fuck!

4/30/2009 2:02:00 AM

#948859

Thundersqueaks

moron
noun.
(informal) a stupid person.

4/30/2009 2:11:36 AM

#948865

nintendofreakgcn

I once came dangerously close to drowning. I don't ever want to relive that experience, and it disgusts and horrifies me that anyone would intentionally do it to another person.

4/30/2009 2:53:20 AM

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