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I'm sorry but I consider God more of an authority than yourself. God said sex is his gift to a married couple. For those who choose to abuse this gift there is std's. Before the fall of man there was no sin (or degeneration.) Animals didn't kill each other for food, there were no thorn bushes, and most likely no std's. This was something the bible says came about after man's sin. If you consider the fact that two people who withdraw from sexual attivity until marriage and then are faithful to one another it becomes apparent that my theory is true. As for a husband who gets aids from a cheating wife, maybe God is paying him back for some other sin he commited earlier. I believe it is intirely possible that we are not always punished emmidiatly after we sin. But that being said still I must erge you to understand this basic fundamentalist christian understanding that we are all sinners!! Even when we are born. The sin that Adam commited is carried down through all his generations. Therefor no one is innocent.

God did not create evil. Even though God has control over everything, God did not make lucifer's rebellion against him. It does not seem logical but that's because we can't understand it. God actions are not limited to our comprehension. A contradiction to us is comprehension to him.



redstang281, EvC Forum 55 Comments [4/3/2009 4:57:35 AM]
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#932925
Tom S. Fox

What about all those married people who have STDs? Collateral damage?

4/2/2009 7:24:12 AM

#933398
John_in_Oz

"A contradiction to us is [proof that He doesn't exist.]"
Fixed.

4/3/2009 5:03:09 AM

#933399
Doctor Whom

For those who choose to abuse this gift there is std's.

From here: "Argue that God loves us so much that He gave us laws on sexual purity to protect us from HIV. Argue that God created HIV to punish those who disobey His laws on sexual purity."

God did not create evil.

Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

As you were saying?

4/3/2009 5:03:40 AM

#933400
aaa

Huh?

4/3/2009 5:05:44 AM

#933401
clockworkgirl21

I'm sorry but I consider God more of an authority than yourself. God said sex is his gift to a married couple. For those who choose to abuse this gift there is std's. Before the fall of man there was no sin (or degeneration.) Animals didn't kill each other for food, there were no thorn bushes, and most likely no std's. This was something the bible says came about after man's sin. If you consider the fact that two people who withdraw from sexual attivity until marriage and then are faithful to one another it becomes apparent that my theory is true. As for a husband who gets aids from a cheating wife, maybe God is paying him back for some other sin he commited earlier. I believe it is intirely possible that we are not always punished emmidiatly after we sin. But that being said still I must erge you to understand this basic fundamentalist christian understanding that we are all sinners!! Even when we are born. The sin that Adam commited is carried down through all his generations. Therefor no one is innocent.

Total BS.

God did not create evil. Even though God has control over everything, God did not make lucifer's rebellion against him. It does not seem logical but that's because we can't understand it. God actions are not limited to our comprehension. A contradiction to us is comprehension to him.

And you haven't read your own Bible.

4/3/2009 5:05:44 AM

#933404
vegan

"Animals didn't kill each other for food"

OK just plants I guess

4/3/2009 5:09:54 AM

#933405
Selkie

I don't have STDs despite having a few paramours before I got married.

4/3/2009 5:14:16 AM

#933407
agentCDE

"God did not create evil."

Really? 'Cause that's not what the Big Man Himself says.

Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Edit: Wait, damn, beaten to the punch. Also WE HAVE AN EDIT BUTTON AGAIN! WOO!

4/3/2009 5:15:16 AM

#933408
Mister Spak

I consider the Flying Spaghetti Monster more of an authority than your imaginary god.

4/3/2009 5:15:34 AM

#933410
Brenz

Then why did the dinosaurs have razor sharp teeth?

What about faithful people whose cheating spouses infect them with an STD? STFU.

4/3/2009 5:17:14 AM

#933412
Brenz

And another thing: even in my most outlandishly Catholic days, I never bought into that original sin stuff completely. *I* never did anything; why am I inheriting sin from some idiot who screwed up an easy arrangement?

4/3/2009 5:19:33 AM

#933416
Paschal Wagner

Therefor no one is innocent.

So whether we abuse "God's gifts" doesn't actually matter, then?

4/3/2009 5:26:12 AM

#933429
zoo

"As for a husband who gets aids from a cheating wife, maybe God is paying him back for some other sin he commited earlier."

What sin can be bad enough to punish with AIDS!? The WIFE was the one doing the cheating, the husband (from the info you've given) is an innocent bystander.

Your god makes no sense to me. Why would a perfect loving god do those things? Why would he not only allow, but create a temptation that would curse all of mankind for the rest of time? Your god is not an authority to me.

4/3/2009 5:45:19 AM

#933438
The Jamo

But wait.... your bible says that god did, in fact, create evil. He is quoted directly, I believe. Go read your bible again.

4/3/2009 5:56:19 AM

#933443


"God said sex is his gift to a married couple."
[citation seriously f#@king needed!]
also, no thorn bushes?!? WTF is THAT about?
i can play this game too, before the fall there were no ingrown toenails, lactose intolerance or celine dion albums.

4/3/2009 6:01:00 AM

#933449
The Lazy One

If your god gives people AIDS from a cheating wife, then he has one hell of a lousy personality, and that is putting it mildly. What in the world did that person do to deserve it? And don't give me any bullshit about sin- no one deserves AIDS.

4/3/2009 6:07:20 AM

#933460
ilPalazzo

Man sins. Animals pay. God is just.
Man sins. Wife and child pay. God is just.

Yup.

4/3/2009 6:11:13 AM

#933469
JonnyTruant

Actually, original sin is not part of fundamentalist dogma as it is not in the Bible. It is something invented about 400AD and forwarded by St. Augustine of Hippo and is part of Catholic dogma.

Are you trying to say that you have converted to Catholicism?

4/3/2009 6:44:03 AM

#933474
EvoPagan

I would like to see some citations for all this bullshit you are spewing, plz.

4/3/2009 7:01:56 AM

#933476
Panz

God created all


unless it's bad


What part of 'be fruitful and multiply' had anything to do with marriage? Oh, you ASSUME it does, riiiiight

4/3/2009 7:05:03 AM

#933480
Clown

Wait! Stop the stream of bullshit for a minute! Ok... Let's make something clear.
According to your holly book, Jesus died for our sins and wipped them clean (including sin we inherited from A and E). So, is that a contradiction in your book or what?
P.s. What about babies that are born with AIDS (and other STD's)? Have they sinned in the womb?

4/3/2009 7:10:21 AM

#933484
John

I'm sure God would be a better authority than any of us. A book written by a bunch of anonymous bronze age Arab goat herders that people claim is speaking for God is another matter.

Before the fall of man there was no sin (or degeneration.) Animals didn't kill each other for food, there were no thorn bushes, and most likely no std's. This was something the bible says came about after man's sin.

The Bible says no such thing. People just made that up.

4/3/2009 7:19:20 AM

#933486
Grigadil

I'm sorry but I consider God more of an authority than yourself.

I stopped right there. You can't argue with a figment of a twisted imagination.

4/3/2009 7:21:03 AM

#933494
????

Notice that his example has the *husband* getting getting HIV from a cheating *wife*.

4/3/2009 7:42:22 AM

#933497
JohnTheAtheist

Wow, just wow.

4/3/2009 7:53:54 AM
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