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Jezebel's Evil Sister

It must be very frustrating to construct strawmen that can't stand up.

Dexter

Evolution != Social Darwinism and Richard Dawkins (and other biologists) is very clear about that!

BTW: You're an idiot.

MfG

Dexter

Efrain

Are those done by humans or nature? Darwin stated it's up to nature to decide what is and isn't favorable.

Zabimaru

Apart from the gross misunderstanding of evolution, is this guy actually complaining about the fact that Dawkins is not a bad guy?

Atheist In A Foxhole

Strawman for Jesus.

mischief

and this guy is supposed to be a fucking PROFESSOR?

academic standards ain't what they used to be.

zaatheist

WTF does this Tom fellow want? A professor you say! Professor of what? All he professes is ignorance.

Does anyone have this cretin's email address. Give him a link to this page.

aaa

Oh, for fucks sake. Your strawman is pathetic.

Reverend Jeremiah

hmm..lets see..Im dedicated to "scientific conservatism" when it comes to biology.

Would I welcome any of those? No.

And if he DOES NOT publicly advocate them, then why are you infering that he does?

Thinking Allowed

A dedicated darwininan? Sorry, but there's no such thing.

Mister Spak

"A dedicated Darwinian would welcome imperialism, genocide, mass deportation, ethnic cleansing, eugenics, euthanasia, forced sterilisations and infanticide. Publicly, he advocates none of them. "

"I believe that I am acting in accordance
with the will of the Almighty Creator:
by defending myself against the Jew,
I am fighting for the work of the Lord"
--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf


The first of such organisations to be
founded in that country, the German
Freethinkers League had by 1930 a
membership numbering around 500,000.
The League was closed down, however,
in the Spring of 1933 when Hitler
outlawed all atheistic and freethinking
groups in Germany. 'Freethinkers Hall',
the national headquarters of the League,
was then converted to a bureau advising
to the public in church matters.

Among its Chairmen was Max Sievers,
who was beheaded at the guillotine by the Nazis in 1944.

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

- Adolf Hitler, 1933 speech in Berlin

"... I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity."
—Adolf Hitler, February 15, 1933, speech in Stuttgart

"National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity."
—Adolf Hitler, August 26, 1934, speech in Koblenz

"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief."
—Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

"I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings of Providence."
—Adolf Hitler, 1944




Hitler's Table Talk, July 25, l942:

'From where do we get the right to believe, that from the
very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at
Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals
changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a
kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump,
as Man must supposedly have made, if he has
developed from an ape-like state to what he is today.'

emau99

Why do you suppose that is, Tom?

Imroy

Bishop Tom Frame is a professor at Charles Sturt University! But he's in Canberra, not here at Mitchell campus.

Damn. Australia's getting too many fundies for my liking.

Anon-e-moose

"The problem I face is weariness with science-based dialogue partners like Richard Dawkins. It surprises me he is not chided for his innate scientific conservatism and metaphysical complacency. He won't take his depiction of Darwinism to logical conclusions. A dedicated Darwinian would welcome imperialism, genocide, mass deportation, ethnic cleansing, eugenics, euthanasia, forced sterilisations and infanticide. Publicly, he advocates none of them"

That's because Richard Dawkins is a Humanist. As in all the respect for others & general morals of proper religion, but without the dogma, guilt and fairytale bullshit.

DUUUUHHHHHHH?!!

zaatheist

Thanks for the link Imroy. I thought so, a quacksaviour, manufacturing and spewing crap for the credulous.

I want to send hime a link to this page and suggest he may find it interesting.

Done!

Katsuro

Some kind of weird, reverse "no true Scotsman" goin' on here.

Doctor Whom

A dedicated Bible believer would welcome imperialism, genocide, mass deportation, ethnic cleansing, eugenics, euthanasia, forced sterilisations and infanticide.

Fixed.

LOLWUT

Tom Frame, who gave you permission to be a stupid moron?

Xotan

Jésus de Paille?

Tolpuddle Martyr

So you told Dawkins that Darwinism leads to imperialism, genocide, mass deportation, ethnic cleansing, eugenics, euthanasia, forced sterilisations and infanticide - and he methodically chopped your silly argument into little bitty bits? Now you feel weary? I'd suggest finding a new hobby Tom.

zz tops

He is right that the logical implication of evolution is that social engineering is acceptable and desirable as it helps us be better equipped to survive. We now have tools that allow us to do social engineering in non-violent ways, such as gene therapy and once we finish the human genome project we'll be able to target out genes and recode DNA in embryos and fetuses (kinda science fiction-y, but a strong possibility).

Scientific advance will "obsolete" violent forms of social engineering (genocide, forced sterilization, other ones Tom Frame mentions). So yes, Tom Frame might be right that the logical conclusion of Darwinian evolution is accepting that social engineering is desirable because it improves our chances of survival (it's a form of hedging our natural selection chances), he is wrong in which methods will/should be used.

a mind far far away

A dedicated Darwinian would welcome imperialism, genocide, mass deportation, ethnic cleansing, eugenics, euthanasia, forced sterilisations and infanticide

Funny. These all sound like things that fundy xtians support.

Psittacosis

@ zz tops: Yeah, and the logical implication of floods is that we should all grow gills. What criteria are you going to use to decide what makes us better equipped to survive?

Grigadil

A dedicated "Darwinian" would welcome imperialism, genocide, mass deportation, ethnic cleansing, eugenics, euthanasia, forced sterilisations and infanticide. Publicly, he advocates none of them.

Project much, Tommy old boy?

Haeron

*facepalm*