God is the head of this nation and I think this is tough for some atheist and secularist to grasp.
We get our God given rights from our Creator and the government is set up as a secondary appendage to protect those God given rights but the government gets it's power from the people and not the other way around.
I think this is why you see this split.
Many liberals, atheist and secularist don't believe in God so are rights come from the state. This means the government is almighty and they push for a nanny state.
Most Conservatives have a belief in God and they want less government and more individual control because they believe our individual rights come from our Creator and government is there to protect our rights.
The question is if your rights do not come from a Creator then where do your rights as an individual come from?
If there's no God, then you have no rights except those that other men want to give you.
Born Wisdom Allah, CARM 14 Comments
[12/31/2008 9:45:08 PM]
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12/31/2008 9:55:25 PM
Ah, your god is Adam Smith. Good for you.
12/31/2008 10:02:53 PM
If god's the national head, BWA is the national ass.
12/31/2008 10:07:00 PM
I've noticed that if other men don't want to give you rights God doesn't seem to do anything about it. Looks like maybe rights come from humans after all.
12/31/2008 11:53:37 PM
"[S]econdary appendage?" more like noodley appendage.
1/1/2009 3:40:46 AM
"if your rights do not come from a Creator then where do your rights as an individual come from?"
I don't know. Let's ask John Adams:
"Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretense of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
-- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88)
1/1/2009 3:51:25 AM
a mind far far away
I'm hoping, that since this person seems to be a Muslim, that English is not his first language. If not, then I wonder who in the hell this "atheist" person is, and why he's going around pissing off all the fundies. And now he has a buddy, named "secularist"? What kind of a name is that? Were his parents druggies? What I find hilarious, is that his last sentence answers his next to last sentence. I wonder if he gets it?
1/1/2009 4:28:44 AM
"and more individual control"
Which is why they're all for things like abortion and gay marriage... wait...
1/1/2009 9:27:31 AM
true, and for about 500 years now, western culture recieves more freedom under goverment than they ever would under a church
1/1/2009 1:56:25 PM
"If there's no God, then you have no rights except those that other men want to give you."
BINGO. Here's a gold star.
7/20/2009 1:02:06 AM
That's funny. I don't really see God down here interfering with dictatorships in the Middle East and such. *eyeroll*
1/23/2012 5:37:53 PM
7/27/2012 3:32:58 AM
"God is the head of this nation and I think this is tough for some atheist and secularist to grasp"
What's tough for you fundies to grasp is if your 'God' is the head of your nation, he's never fucking showed up at any policy meetings.
Besides, who voted him
in? Last time I heard, your nation is a democracy
, not a theocracy
, a la Saudi Arabia or Iran.
"We get our God given rights from our Creator"
Stop right there. Take a look at this:
Read through it very carefully; to make things easier, click on 'Edit' then 'Find' on your browser and type in the words (one at a time) 'God', 'Jesus' and 'Creator'. But first a warning: If you can't find just one instance of any of those three words appearing in such, then your argument, nay, your right to even have that argument - and thus the right for your religion to exist in politics - is completely annihilated, and you have no choice but to accept that your nation is purely secular, and so-called 'religious morality' (and we all know that's worth less than nothing) is subservient to mortal law. Which therefore means that your so-called 'God' is inferior to us.
7/27/2012 7:08:43 AM
Or MAYBE our rights just exist as a virtue of life, humanity, and conscience and government serves to defend those rights.
7/27/2012 7:35:44 AM