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#534082
Beeblebrox
Hey, Jim: F*** you. It's called informed consent and it starts at the age of eighteen. Children, animals, and dead people are incapable of informed consent; thus they will always remain illegal.
What the f*** is it with you fundie losers and the automatic comparison of homosexuality to molesting children or humping animals? You guys all say the same thing in the same way over and over. Is there some kind of manual you're all working out of?
6/9/2008 7:28:21 AM
#534091
Fanatic-Templar
Informed consent, you dumbass.
6/9/2008 7:37:11 AM
#534096
Amos
Now, Grumpy Jim, have you ever considered that child molestation... you know, harms the child? I only ask because you've left that out of the equation. For most people, it's kinda hard to miss...
6/9/2008 7:40:53 AM
#534097
Yamikaze
Informed consent.
6/9/2008 7:43:38 AM
#534100
Qwerthy
@Beeblebrox
My response here is almost certain to garner me some lampooning, but:
(1) We don't care about animals' inability to consent when we eat them or force them to perform tasks or use them in medical experiments, so why should sex be different?
(2) What if someone added consent in their will that their body be used for necrophilia?
Child molestation is, of course, to be condemned in that the person is a human being who cannot give informed consent.
6/9/2008 7:44:34 AM
#534104
aaa
Beeblebrox, don't bleep.
6/9/2008 7:45:50 AM
#534110
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If you actually believe this then what makes them any different than people that molest children,or people that have sex with animals,or dead people were they also born that way ?
If you actually believe homosexuality is as bad as child molesting, why do you not want jail sentence for it?
6/9/2008 7:50:32 AM
#534117
Beeblebrox
Qwerthy
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2008-Jun-09 07:44 AM
@Beeblebrox
My response here is almost certain to garner me some lampooning, but:
(1) We don't care about animals' consent when we eat them or force them to perform tasks or use them in medical experiment, so why should sex be different?
(2) What if someone added consent in their will that their body be used for necrophilia?
Child molestation is, of course, to be condemned in that the person is a human being who cannot give informed consent.
1. Animals have no rights. They lack the self-awareness that is a necessary component of obtaining them. What animals do have is a measure of dignity, respect, and consideration that we grant them. Raising animals for food and for medical experimentation are activities that produce positive results at a minimum of cruelty. Having sex with animals (apart from any potential health risks) is not an activity that will produce positive results and falls into the category of cruelty.
2. The disposition of Human corpses is governed by law as a necessary part of maintaining public health. Decaying bodies are not famous for being hygenic and will draw pests and breed disease. There is limited discretion granted to the deceased/loved ones in terms of disposal, i.e. sprinkling ashes over certain locations; donating one's body to science;, etc. However, this latitude is sharply limited where it could negatively affect the public health.
I wouldn't lampoon anyone for asking questions. In fact the questions presented were reasonably sensible and could, under the right circumstances, be considered valid debating points.
6/9/2008 8:17:05 AM
#534120
Microraptor
By your logic, Jimmy-John, heterosexual practices wouldn't be any different, either.
Of course this is complete nonsense, just like your analogy.
6/9/2008 8:28:36 AM
#534121
BeemerRefugee1990
"Grumpy Jim"?
Another one who doesn't realize that sometimes, you actually *do* have to just come right out and ask for the reach-around.
6/9/2008 8:29:23 AM
#534129
IanC
blah blah blah, i hate gays, blah blah, reference to pedophila and necrophilia blah blah blah
*yawn*
6/9/2008 8:49:04 AM
#534134
FMG
Informed Non Coerced Consent bitch!
Why is it when we bring up homosexuals they bring up legalising bestiality, necrophilia and paedophilia? Someone seems to have an ulterior motive.
6/9/2008 8:51:44 AM
#534147
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6/9/2008 9:00:12 AM
#534148
Sevagram
Let's see how clear we can make this:
C. O. N. S. E. N. T. spells consent
Look it up.
6/9/2008 9:00:52 AM
#534177
Comicartist
There is such a thing as consent ye dumbass, and believe me it makes a lot of difference.
6/9/2008 9:51:46 AM
#534201
Nutz
ya know, I kind of agree with Qwerty. Beeblebrox makes good points, but I hardly think sexing up an animal has a higher ratio of cruel:productive than slaying and eating it. I guess it depends on how you merit getting your rocks off.
*note: I'm more or less playing devil's advocate and am so not into that or think that it's actually ethical to fuck animals, but hey, they might actually enjoy it in some cases.
6/9/2008 10:39:49 AM
#534202
Katz
Two consulting adults inequal to an adult and a person/animal/corpse that can't give consent. Simple math.
6/9/2008 10:40:52 AM
#534222
Amanda
I am so sick of answering this question. Two consenting adults! Now stop asking!
6/9/2008 11:11:09 AM
#534242
Mister Spak
"then how do you draw the line ? "
Consenting adults. How would you draw it?
6/9/2008 11:38:32 AM
#534247
protowhalepig
Beeblebrox: You don't need to self-censor. These cunts deserve the full words and a lot more.
6/9/2008 11:42:06 AM
#534262
Thundersqueaks
"Your logic is all out of whack"
Unlike your circular reasoning, and emotive rhetoric?
6/9/2008 12:10:43 PM
#534269
Eileen
CONSENT! That's the difference.
6/9/2008 12:21:42 PM
#534286
Laura
Because gays don't fuck people/animals/whatever against their will. That's the difference between a molester or a dog raper and a regular gay person - gay people just want to have normal relationships and lives without you being all up in their kool-aid, not knowing the flavor. You're fucking stupid.
6/9/2008 12:49:22 PM
#534318
Shann
What is it with fundies and bestiality?
It seems every couple of days one of them is making a connection between non-christians and sex with animals. The only ones concerned with such a thing are the fundies themselves. In their obsessive need to make everything that isn't christian seem horrible and wrong, they've become obsessed.
Freaky.
6/9/2008 1:21:34 PM
#534341
JonnyTruant
One word: consent. A child is not of the age of consent. An animal is unable to give consent. Two adult males or two adult females, on the other hand, can give consent to each other.
6/9/2008 1:38:32 PM
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