Which sounds right? Whichever one isn't the product of superstition and fairy tales.
6/6/2008 4:16:42 AM
An advanced degree from Liberty University? Sort of like having a Certificate in Hospitality Science from Auschwitz.
6/6/2008 4:36:54 AM
From 0 to EPIC FAIL in 7 words!
6/6/2008 6:16:59 AM
Fail. Just plain fail.
6/6/2008 8:36:49 AM
An "advanced degree?" In what, might I ask?
Not in science, that's for sure. What I found on wikipedia:
"Liberty University is a Christian liberal arts university in Lynchburg, Virginia. It was founded as Lynchburg Baptist College in 1971 by Jerry Falwell..."
And that's where I stopped reading.
6/6/2008 9:34:32 AM
1. Darwin saw similarities in finches and beaks and size. Not humans. Humans were a fairly late idea.
2. No a variety of bones were found. We called them cave men. We thought their diet made them different. We did all manner of stupid things with "africans". We began to assemble some sort of tree. We then refined this tree with dating techniques.
3. We have a fair few remains.
4. Two hoaxes are not sufficient to destroy science. It was science that disproved them. And we did it in a few years. Unlike your christian hoaxes or relics. The most famous being the shroud of Turin... A hoax. Took nearly 400 years before it was science that proved it false.
5. Thats because you don't understand fossil homology. Or even understand what the evidence means. For instance "Lucy". Lucy's only difference from a chimpanzee like organism is that it has a foramen magnum underneath the skull as opposed to behind. Therefore it stands on two feet. Like us. Because crawling on 4s would have been disadvantageous for that posture. Its a basic tool use adaptation... Its the start of our rise as a tool user.
6. A few oddballs makes it 18 different species roughly within our family tree of evolution and rising. Thats not a few. And this goes over 4 million years of evolution.
7. We have one missing link in our fossil chain to us. We have some that are missing to homo florensis. And are you insane we have records of two other homo species written during our history. Homo Florensis and Homo Neandrathalis went extinct while we were still knocking about. We have DNA tested their bones because they are so young.
8. You cannot use genetics as an "against" to evolution. Genetics is an extremely powerful tool that provides us with the information of mechanisms of evolution. You are quite happy to use it to kill criminals but not for this.
9. Yes. We are like fruit flies. We use something called conservation of DNA so we use the same genomics. So we share a lot of similar genes. To show the power of genes... I give you one of our most vital ones. The Sonic Hedgehog.
It makes freaking 4 legged ducks!! I could get out the cat pictures but meh.
We did evolve from a common parent which also includes plants. We SHARE DNA codes. Meaning Plant DNA if inserted into an animal will be expressed and vice versa. All eukarya do this. Its one of our ideas in the pharmaceutical industry!
6/6/2008 9:48:53 AM
Messianic, I have a degree in a scientific discipline. Can you explain what you advanced degree is in please? Things is, if I want to know about science I would not ask someone who had done a degree in politics or theology and I have this sneaking suspicion that your degreee, from a fundamentalist college founded by a evangelical minister, may not really be in a scientific discipline.
Just a hunch like.
6/6/2008 2:31:33 PM
Actually Darwin and Wallace (who independently arrived at the same theory) both observed a great many animals and plants. Evolution isn't just about apes and humans.
Evolution was already widely accepted/assumed on the basis of many homologies throughout nature and changes in the fossil record. All Darwin and Wallace did was propose a credible mechanism.
the only major hoax skull was the Piltdown skull. It was a distraction, as was the Nebraska error (which persisted less than a year). Numerous skeletons in various states of decay/damage have been found showing numerous ape species, no longer extant, which have features in common with genus Homo.
Study history if you're going to pontificate about it.
6/6/2008 3:04:44 PM
Messianic Servant, get real. How in the hell do you consider any God's word written by men 2000 years ago, some out of thousand year old oral and re-written stories, picked out by another large group of men(with agendas; political, moral, and personal)out of thousands of possible religious writings of similar type and subject matter, translated by huge numbers of men umpteen times since into multiple languages, and re-intrepreted with each translation by the translator(again with personal agendas) is in any way shape or form to be considered OBJECTIVE? The whole idea is absurd.
6/6/2008 3:39:48 PM
1. Bronze age goatherder attempts to explain world, decides to write book.
2. Book is force for both good and evil in world, depending on intelligence and personality of audience. It both inspires virtuous behavior and justifies atrocious behavior.
3. Sycophants realize book may be used to their own personal benefit, spend 2000 years rousing the rabble over non-issues while teaching them to ignore real ones.
4. Fuck you.
6/6/2008 3:41:37 PM
@sandman: 'And I would love to know what kind of amateur garage experiments one can perform to investigate the physics of the creation of the universe. Must be one hell of a set-up you have there.'
Well, I've investigated the physics of the creation of the universe in my living room. My conclusions didn't make much sense the next day, though... ;
6/6/2008 4:12:42 PM
"Darwin sees similarities between man and ape, decides to write book." Er, not quite correct.
"Hunt for skeletal remains begins in pursuit of an imaginary creature born out of the mind of one man." That sounds like a lie, I suspect that early human fossils were known before Charlie D. wrote about the descent of man. I could be wrong there, though.
"No remains found" That's a flat lie.
"Remains discovered....proven hoaxes." That's a flat lie.
"Fossil record fails to prove man descent." Quite correct, but it's evidence. And by the way, that should be "man's descent".
"Genectics now employed to proved Evolution" Pity about the spelling and grammar, but the poster is almost correct. Mathematically genetics is consistent with evolutionary theory. Shown in the early 20th century, long before DNA was sequenced.
"Discoveries announce man is similiar to many animals including fruitflies" Our poster may be upset to hear that DNA sequences and therefore amino acid sequences in growth regulatory proteins are identical or close to identical in all mammals and some short sequences are the same in grasses. It should be "similar" not "similiar".
This is not the worst I've seen but it's not much better.
6/7/2008 2:29:53 AM
The second one.
1/8/2011 4:14:37 PM
I stopped reading after 1. since it's an outright lie.
5/19/2011 11:50:49 AM
I thought Mr Darwin worked with finches.
Darwin was hardly the first who had thoughts about common decent, so there were much, much more than "the mind of one man".
Museums of Natural History around the world are literally filled with remains that corroborates the Theory of Evolution.
Like many others have already said; science is not about truths, but about evidence and facts.
Science is not a popularity contest either; it doesn't matter which sounds right, but which can be backed up with evidence.
Still, the second one sounds right.
5/19/2011 1:04:58 PM
Firstly Darwin worked with sort of birds (I don't know their name in English), found out that some had large short beaks, whereas others had long thin beaks, then he figured out that they had same genes but had evolved differently, following the way they had to feed.
6/13/2011 11:02:00 AM
> I thought Mr Darwin worked with finches.
> Museums of Natural History around the world are literally filled with remains that corroborates the Theory of Evolution.
Quite true. And if I remember correctly, 19 of the 31 finches which Darwin himself collected from the Galapagos Islands are now in the British Museum. Even if just for the sake of history, it's such a shame that his collection was broken up.
6/13/2011 1:32:33 PM