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#512169
szena
"There will be wars and famine."
"People will run to and fro."
Such a remote chance that those things would come to pass.
5/23/2008 11:22:12 AM
#512179
tmr
4,000 prophesies have come to pass? Really? Please, tell us which ones, when, and their correlating passage in the bible. If you know there were 4,000 of them, you should have no problem counting them off for those that want to learn the truth.
5/23/2008 11:45:58 AM
#512208
FMG
I love the fact that they bring up 5000 years of history in the article... Because during that period you have Indus, Greece and Rome as major civilizations all with natural "homosexuality". That we are supposed to listen to bronze aged cattle herders rather than the cultural monsters of the time.
And that "written history" is a lot older than 5000 years.
5/23/2008 12:24:35 PM
#512217
rubber chicken
I don't suppose, by any chance, that any of those unfulfilled prophecies mention next weeks lottery numbers do they ?
No, thought not!
5/23/2008 12:38:44 PM
#512224
An Atheist
I seriously hope there is a rapture. That means all the fundies would vanish one day and leave us all behind to enjoy this planet by ourselves without being judged.
And while we're on the topic, I also wish there was an afterlife. Just a 10 second afterlife, so I can see their faces when they realize there is no god, and there was only one go-around and they blew their chance at having a good time because they were afraid of the invisible man in the sky.
Yeah, that's the only problem with being an atheist: it provides you with no forum to say "I told you so!"
5/23/2008 12:48:56 PM
#512261
Problem is for a prophecy to be sucessful in the old terms it meant that it was used to PREVENT it from coming true
5/23/2008 1:12:43 PM
#512375
Ambrielle
I want every single one of those 4000 citations.
5/23/2008 2:31:06 PM
#512416
SeenAndNotSeen
"Did you know that 4,000 prophecies in that Bible have already come true down to the last detail?"
Apparently not Isaiah 13:
"17 See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold. 18 Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants nor will they look with compassion on children.
Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of the Babylonians' pride, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there."
Unless you replace "Medes" with "Alexander the Great's army" and
"never be inhabited or lived in through all generations" with "conquered and gradually lose influence over centuries and eventually abandoned."
"Kind of like a prophet who makes a false prediction – that made him a false prophet and a candidate for stoning."
Like Pat Robertson? Unless there really was a nuclear disaster in 2007.
Also, keep in mind that all of these prophets were dead long before there prophecies were proven false- or in many cases, dead before books were even written in their name (Daniel).
"That leaves about 1,000 left to be fulfilled."
Yes. like Nostradamus's predictions, many prophecies aren't given any sort of expiration date. That means they can never be disproven, by design. Some time in the indefinite future, all of these prophecies are bound to come true in some sense, but by then, no one will care.
5/23/2008 3:20:02 PM
#512440
Alfred
"Did you know that about one-fourth of the Bible is prophecy? A quarter of the Bible is a lot – it's a big book."
And tremendously boring as well.
"And did you know God's standard? Perfection. That means that if even one of those prophecies is wrong, you can discount the whole thing."
Well, if you say so...
Genesis 15:18: "In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:"
It didn't happen. So I suppose that we can throw the whole thing in the garbage. Hey, you said so!
"Kind of like a prophet who makes a false prediction – that made him a false prophet and a candidate for stoning."
That's a bit drastic...
"Did you know that 4,000 prophecies in that Bible have already come true down to the last detail?"
Cite, please...
"That leaves about 1,000 left to be fulfilled – those are the ones regarding the last days before the return of Christ, which are being checked off the list right now."
If someone makes predictions constantly, and makes them sufficiently vague that they could apply to any civilization, at any time in history, some of them will inevitably "seem" accurate...
"If 4,000 out of 5,000 prophecies have already occurred exactly as the Bible predicted they would, you might want to pay attention to the rest."
Why? By your own standards, we've just proven the falsehood of the entire thing.
5/23/2008 3:36:54 PM
#512513
Jeff Weskamp
This is genuine. Much of this woman's material is cited from the 1976 film version of The Late Great Planet Earth. So it's for real, not sarcasm or Poe-etry.
5/23/2008 4:32:10 PM
#512560
werewolf
Janet dear, could you name one specific prophecy out of the 4000 that has come true? And, please, statements made after the fact are not prophecies.
5/23/2008 5:04:30 PM
#512669
Psittacosis
Janet? SLUT!
5/23/2008 6:52:16 PM
#512705
tracer
approximate wrote:
"One quarter of the babble is prophecy? Obviously, it isn't the same babble I had crammed down my throat as a kid."
Actually, yes.
There are so many books in the Bible devoted to prophecy, as a matter of fact, that Old Testament scholars had to divite them into the books of the "major prophets" (e.g. Isaiah, Jeremiah, and other such heavy-hitters) and the books of the "minor prophets".
And all of them are filled with so much vaguery and allegory that their prophecies could be "fulfilled" by nearly anything.
5/23/2008 7:17:21 PM
#512707
tracer
Jeff Weskamp wrote:
"Much of this woman's material is cited from the 1976 film version of The Late Great Planet Earth."
That was the movie which predicted that the 7-year countdown to Armageddon would begin when the middle-east peace treaty was signed during the
Jimmy Carter administration, wasn't it?
5/23/2008 7:18:48 PM
#512711
Delmania
There are no prophecies in the Bible. There are only descriptions of what how people will react to Chrisitianity.
This is not divined by supernatural means. It's more the Jesus paid attention in history class.
5/23/2008 7:23:07 PM
#512716
anonymous_troy
lolwhut?
5/23/2008 7:27:20 PM
#512767
Lefty Link
4000 have occured? I would like you to list every single one of them.
5/23/2008 8:14:59 PM
#512811
Hertzyscowicz
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Guess the whole thing's a huge waste of paper, then.
5/23/2008 8:43:43 PM
#512830
Sideshow Bob
The Bible's claims are a lot like a poker player putting all in when it doesn't even have a pair. Some don't bother challenging it because of the sheer amount put out, but those who know what to look for in it can see it for what it is, and needn't be worried.
5/23/2008 9:03:01 PM
#512858
boobiesandexplosions
Did you know that the creation of a person does't actually involve dirt?
5/23/2008 9:24:34 PM
#512905
I doubt that there are 5000 prophecies in the Bible and I really doubt that 4000 have come true. However I do know one thing that is in the Bible. Ever read the ten commandments janet, especially #9?
5/23/2008 9:57:06 PM
#512914
funky fresh salad
You pulled 100% of those numbers from your ass.
5/23/2008 10:09:03 PM
#512921
Grigadil
What about the stuff that the bibble never predicted, like flying machines and fast food? Is next year's edition of the babble finally going to include them?
Praise the Proleptic Prevaricator!
5/23/2008 10:17:27 PM
#512969
Old Viking
Janet once tried to sneak a Bible into a Las Vegas casino.
5/23/2008 10:48:52 PM
#513170
"And did you know God's standard? Perfection. That means that if even one of those prophecies is wrong, you can discount the whole thing."
Let's see
Done!
You fundies made it too easy.
5/24/2008 1:59:57 AM
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