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[RE: the kids taken from a church under suspicion of having been married off to much older men]

I don't see "authorities" going into the homes of unwed pregnant teenagers and taking the kids from their parents. I think it is hypocritical for the government to treat "religious" people differently. How about the thousands of girls that have abortions every year at Planned Parenthood? They are required by law to report abuse (rape, incest, sex with minors by adults etc..) and have you ever heard of even one case? There is abuse in all walks of life, should the state take the kids from every church member when one member is accused of abuse?

can4christ, Rapture Ready 37 Comments [4/19/2008 9:04:36 AM]
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Moon Wolfhowl

...And just how would you take a pregnant teenager's baby away from her? C Section?

4/19/2008 9:10:44 AM



"should the state take the kids from every church member when one member is accused of abuse?"

When they're all living in a polygamist camp - yes.

Any other completely stupid questions?

4/19/2008 9:11:06 AM

Dinomancer

So, wait, teen pregnancy is caused by incest? Hmmm... I wonder if he realizes that the bible belt has more teen pregnancies then anywhere in the US?

4/19/2008 9:17:48 AM

Sweet Violet

should the state take the kids from every church member when one member is accused of abuse?

The short answer? YES

The long answer: Yes, and from every non-church member who is accused of abuse as well.

You seem to overlook one very critical issue here, and it is one of consent. True consent. A girl whose consent is forced either by direct physical force, by intimidation, or by indoctrination is not truly consenting.

Another overlooked critical issue here is the silly idea that if we can't know EVERY case of abuse and respond to it, then we should respond to none. We should respond to EVERY case known, whether within religious environments or not.

Say...aren't you the same people who are pitching a conniption fit over pedophilic priests and 8-year-old Yemeni girls being married off? Looks like your own house could use some cleaning...

4/19/2008 10:42:06 AM

anatiedaephobic

I have heard of cases of children being taken from other abusive homes. Lots of them. Social Services would be so pissed if they read this post.

4/19/2008 11:23:02 AM


4/19/2008 11:29:23 AM

szena

The "one member" accused of abuse was not a rogue member doing what the other members disapproved of.

The entire system existed to convince girls that their salvation depended on submitting to sexual abuse by an older man as soon as they hit puberty. That's child abuse and the entire community was complicit in it, not to mention complicit in forcing young boys out of the community to fend for themselves so the older men could take all the 13 year old girls.

I think you'll notice that no one is suggesting that Christian teens who become pregnant should be treated differently from anyone else.

4/19/2008 11:31:57 AM

Mattural Selection

You have no idea what you are talking about do you? You just wait until your bowels are full, and then work your mouth until the shit starts falling out.

4/19/2008 11:35:37 AM

xander8

I agree that unwed teen mothers should have their children taken away. How will they get an education and make something of themselves with the millstone of having a child around their neck? Not going to happen. Education is the only cure for poverty and ignorance.

4/19/2008 12:20:47 PM

Blayze Kohime

Most teenage pregnancies occur between two teenagers that don't even live together. If those underage girls get pregnant from older men that live with them, the person who is pregnant is taken away. In most cases those that live with them would want them not to do that. There is just no comparison between that and a religious sect that tells their men that its okay to have sex with much younger girls.

4/19/2008 12:39:46 PM

Illuminatalie

Yeah, defend your child-molesting cults all you want. Fortunately, the likes of you has limited influence in the civilized world, which is rooting out religious-based molestation wherever it finds it.

4/19/2008 1:18:25 PM

Canadiest

Because an unwed mother living with her parents is living in the secular world and all members of the household are living free under the constitution.

You are just assuming (and this is why All communes should be investigated) that religious folks are living under the guidance of God

I fear for the little Fundie girls.

4/19/2008 2:17:41 PM

tmr

There is a difference between making a choice and being forced.

4/19/2008 2:21:51 PM

Nic

Authorities DO remove kids from non-religious homes. All the freaking time. I should know, my mom is a social worker. The religion aspect had NOTHING to do with this case, other than that the abusers used religion to excuse their actions. The reason it was such big news is the scale of the abuse. It wasn't one little boy being beaten by his mother, or one little girl being molested by her uncle, it was hundreds of children!

Oh, wait, I'm trying to use logic to get through to a fundie. What am I thinking? Never mind.

4/19/2008 2:44:25 PM

Eric

I thought that Mormons weren't True Chrisians™

4/19/2008 3:22:14 PM

protowhalepig

I don't see "authorities" going into the homes of unwed pregnant teenagers and taking the kids from their parents.

See, that's because it isn't illegal - just regrettable, like your stupidity.

4/19/2008 4:06:33 PM

werewolf

I didn't realize that 400 law suits from children do not constitute "one case." I stand corrected.

I also never realized that, as long as you profess to be "religious", polygamy, incest, child abuse, slavery, and rape are not crimes. That's good to know in case I ever fall afoul of the law.

4/19/2008 4:18:06 PM

avowed_cynic

I love how they keep going on about "activist judges." Seems the judges are only activist when they rule something that these people don't agree with, otherwise, they're defending their rights or whatever.

4/19/2008 4:42:26 PM

Little Miss

Yes, because it doesn't matter who you are in that sect. The moment the leader thinks your daughter is old enough, she's going to get married to some sick bastard three times her age and raped to "consumate the marraige"

4/19/2008 4:46:09 PM



So you are in favor of polygamy, incest, pedophilia, and sexual enslavement as long as someone claims it has Christian religious basis? I'm sure Jesus is so proud. Funny, I hear you people at RR attack other religions for exactly these same charges! Your hypocrisy is showing.

4/19/2008 5:55:38 PM

freako104

Well considering their age, that's bad enough. But the likely did not even consent. So in more than one way it was rape and abuse. So yes it is just they were taken from their camp and put somewhere safe.

4/19/2008 6:07:44 PM



Slippery slope?. Do you realise that there is here REAL INCEST AND ABUSE AND PEDOPHILIA PLUS STATUTORY RAPE?, proved, not two horny teenagers(which is 90% of the cases concerning PP and pregnant teenagers)?.

4/19/2008 7:10:49 PM

WMDKitty

The issue here was *underaged* girls being sold off as "brides" to much older men. Even if the marriages were legit -- which they weren't, due to laws against polygamy -- it would still be statutory rape.

4/19/2008 7:48:08 PM

Old Viking

Fundies have developed inane whining into an art form.

4/19/2008 10:02:17 PM

Lithp

Going into unwed pregnant teenagers and taking the kids from their parents? Because in those cases, it's always that the parents consented to marry them off. Never that the kids did it of their own will, and the parents knew nothing. Oh wait....

4/19/2008 10:33:04 PM

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