[RE: the kids taken from a church under suspicion of having been married off to much older men]
I don't see "authorities" going into the homes of unwed pregnant teenagers and taking the kids from their parents. I think it is hypocritical for the government to treat "religious" people differently. How about the thousands of girls that have abortions every year at Planned Parenthood? They are required by law to report abuse (rape, incest, sex with minors by adults etc..) and have you ever heard of even one case? There is abuse in all walks of life, should the state take the kids from every church member when one member is accused of abuse?
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"should the state take the kids from every church member when one member is accused of abuse?"
When they're all living in a polygamist camp - yes.
Any other completely stupid questions?
should the state take the kids from every church member when one member is accused of abuse?
The short answer? YES
The long answer: Yes, and from every non-church member who is accused of abuse as well.
You seem to overlook one very critical issue here, and it is one of consent. True consent. A girl whose consent is forced either by direct physical force, by intimidation, or by indoctrination is not truly consenting.
Another overlooked critical issue here is the silly idea that if we can't know EVERY case of abuse and respond to it, then we should respond to none. We should respond to EVERY case known, whether within religious environments or not.
Say...aren't you the same people who are pitching a conniption fit over pedophilic priests and 8-year-old Yemeni girls being married off? Looks like your own house could use some cleaning...
The "one member" accused of abuse was not a rogue member doing what the other members disapproved of.
The entire system existed to convince girls that their salvation depended on submitting to sexual abuse by an older man as soon as they hit puberty. That's child abuse and the entire community was complicit in it, not to mention complicit in forcing young boys out of the community to fend for themselves so the older men could take all the 13 year old girls.
I think you'll notice that no one is suggesting that Christian teens who become pregnant should be treated differently from anyone else.
Most teenage pregnancies occur between two teenagers that don't even live together. If those underage girls get pregnant from older men that live with them, the person who is pregnant is taken away. In most cases those that live with them would want them not to do that. There is just no comparison between that and a religious sect that tells their men that its okay to have sex with much younger girls.
Yeah, defend your child-molesting cults all you want. Fortunately, the likes of you has limited influence in the civilized world, which is rooting out religious-based molestation wherever it finds it.
Because an unwed mother living with her parents is living in the secular world and all members of the household are living free under the constitution.
You are just assuming (and this is why All communes should be investigated) that religious folks are living under the guidance of God
I fear for the little Fundie girls.
Authorities DO remove kids from non-religious homes. All the freaking time. I should know, my mom is a social worker. The religion aspect had NOTHING to do with this case, other than that the abusers used religion to excuse their actions. The reason it was such big news is the scale of the abuse. It wasn't one little boy being beaten by his mother, or one little girl being molested by her uncle, it was hundreds of children!
Oh, wait, I'm trying to use logic to get through to a fundie. What am I thinking? Never mind.
I don't see "authorities" going into the homes of unwed pregnant teenagers and taking the kids from their parents.
See, that's because it isn't illegal - just regrettable, like your stupidity.
I didn't realize that 400 law suits from children do not constitute "one case." I stand corrected.
I also never realized that, as long as you profess to be "religious", polygamy, incest, child abuse, slavery, and rape are not crimes. That's good to know in case I ever fall afoul of the law.
I love how they keep going on about "activist judges." Seems the judges are only activist when they rule something that these people don't agree with, otherwise, they're defending their rights or whatever.
Yes, because it doesn't matter who you are in that sect. The moment the leader thinks your daughter is old enough, she's going to get married to some sick bastard three times her age and raped to "consumate the marraige"
So you are in favor of polygamy, incest, pedophilia, and sexual enslavement as long as someone claims it has Christian religious basis? I'm sure Jesus is so proud. Funny, I hear you people at RR attack other religions for exactly these same charges! Your hypocrisy is showing.
Slippery slope?. Do you realise that there is here REAL INCEST AND ABUSE AND PEDOPHILIA PLUS STATUTORY RAPE?, proved, not two horny teenagers(which is 90% of the cases concerning PP and pregnant teenagers)?.
Going into unwed pregnant teenagers and taking the kids from their parents? Because in those cases, it's always that the parents consented to marry them off. Never that the kids did it of their own will, and the parents knew nothing. Oh wait....
I don't see "authorities" going into the homes of unwed pregnant teenagers and taking the kids from their parents
That's because it would serve no purpose.
I think it is hypocritical for the government to treat "religious" people differently.
If you can't stop the difference between pregnant teenagers and churches marrying girls to older men against their will, there's nothing I can do for you.
How about the thousands of girls that have abortions every year at Planned Parenthood? They are required by law to report abuse (rape, incest, sex with minors by adults etc..) and have you ever heard of even one case?
That's because PP doesn't ask questions. And shouldn't. A girl should be able to get help without being ratted out. If she can't tell her parents, there's probably a good reason.
There is abuse in all walks of life, should the state take the kids from every church member when one member is accused of abuse?
Yes. Yes. A thousand times yes.
"I don't see "authorities" going into the homes of unwed pregnant teenagers and taking the kids from their parents"
Thats different.
The vast majority of pregnant teens had sex with a boy their age.
" I think it is hypocritical for the government to treat "religious" people differently"
So pedophilha is okay as long as it's religious? Thats nice to know.
"They are required by law to report abuse (rape, incest, sex with minors by adults etc..) and have you ever heard of even one case?"
Many women have reported being raped, however, many rapes go unreported because the victim is afriad of the rapist coming back and killing her.
"should the state take the kids from every church member when one member is accused of abuse?"
This isn't a "church" this is a polygamist cult.
Massive difference.
There is no special treatment. All sex with a minor that comes to authorities knowledge should be investigated and if suspicions still stand the child should be removed from the abusive environment.
And yes, the state should take the kids from every church memeber who is under strong suspicion of abuse. Not because they are religious, but because they are abusive. And most state officials are probably religious too, as most Americans are religious.
The thousands of girls you are talking about probably had a boyfriend of about the same age, then there is no "sex with minor".
Edit. I was not aware that this was regarding an abusive sex cult. Sorry. "Treat others as you want to be treated." Why don't you marry off the little boys to older women instead of turning them out? There must be some who don't die in their eight childbirth at the age of 25?
Fundies are the most self-centered people you will ever meet.
1. A girl is molested, taken away from her cult, etc.
2. The first thing fundies think of is "The government is going to use this to persecute us!"
Fuck. That. Shit.
Hey dipshit. These cults are formed for the express purpose for 40 year old men to fuck 14 year old girls while trying to protect themselves from the law by claiming religious freedom. Even as fucked up as you are on Rapture Ready I would hope you would recognize this for what it is and be indignant about it as well.
To compare a teen age girl getting pregnant by her boyfriend to the systematic statutory rape of young girls by the church elders is sickening and it makes you a HUGE douchebag.
This is the "Yes we're awful, the worst, but what about them?" argument yet again.
Yes, the church abuses children worse then any other organization, Yes, the Christian abuse children worse than others, but let's talk about something else. Let's ALWAYS talk about something else. Like shootings, let pretend guns are the LAST THING we talk about. Like racist attacks, that's not racism!
PS
Christian get away with way too many cases of moral and legal violation just by saying they're "good Christians" It's a major and oft used defense in the Southern states and WORKS far too often resulting in repeated offenses and repeated "Oh well, Christian will be Christians" get out of jail deals.
By all means don't trust me. Check that stats and actual documented defences.
This week alone three cases of that exact bullshit and 'ex-pastor' bullshit on Crooks n Liars. Tip of the iceberg.
This is the entire reason behind the 'liberal sex trade' conspiracy the RW has been promoting for about a year. The MASSIVE cases of church abuse coming to light.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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