Nah, "The Sun rises in the East" is purely a matter of definition. No proof really needed there. Just a reference point.
And as for things that actually do require proof: Some things look obvious that really aren't.
9/29/2007 6:20:57 PM
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him (Jesus) up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
How is that possible unless the world is flat?
9/29/2007 6:31:18 PM
So we try not to make assumptions? How is this bad?
9/29/2007 7:00:29 PM
Well, it's OBVIOUS that there's a celestial sphere, isn't it? All the stars never move in relation to each other, so it must be a sphere with pinpricks of light circling around the earth. That's the obvious explanation for why the sky looks the way it does at night.
9/29/2007 7:28:02 PM
Who's denying the sun rises in the east?
9/29/2007 7:46:50 PM
... you are expected to prove every assertion, no matter how obvious, while they sit back watch.
Well, duh. Yeah. If you're telling the truth, backing it up with peer-reviewed science should only take a few extra minutes. It's only difficult if you're trying to sling BS and don't like getting caught at it. How come creationists don't document their work? Duane Gish claimed during a debate that a human protein sequence was closer to a bullfrog's than a chimp's. When he was repeatedly challenged over the years to provide a source for this claim, he has always hemmed and hawed. He still hasn't provided proof, and that was a couple of decades ago. Another creationist, Walter Brown said the rattlesnake's closest biochemical relative was the human. His source? His kid's school science project, which didn't include any other primates besides the human.
What's "obvious" is a matter of opinion. One of the favorite tricks of charlatans is to present some baloney, claim it's "obvious", then stifle criticism by implying that anyone who doesn't believe it must be too stupid to see how "obvious" it is. If it's "obvious", it should be easy to prove with documented evidence.
9/29/2007 8:09:20 PM
You poor oppressed creationists.
9/29/2007 8:50:47 PM
What's your proof of these assertions, flapjacks? ;-)
9/29/2007 9:11:37 PM
If you tell them the sun rises in the east, they ask for a specific scientific, peer-reviewed, published article, with a list of the writer's credentials.
Its called science. Try to keep up.
9/29/2007 9:28:09 PM
Someone got OWNED.
9/29/2007 9:32:31 PM
What is "obvious" to one person is news to another. And besides, I've heard a lot of theists make claims they say are "obvious", which turn out to be patently false.
9/29/2007 9:35:37 PM
No you just have to prove that it is science instead of religious dogma.
9/29/2007 9:43:45 PM
Then they make some sneering comment referring to your belief in a flat Earth
No, I will not break the truth to you . You obviously can't handle it.
9/29/2007 10:13:46 PM
If you still think the Earth is flat, then yeah, I can understand why anyone who argues against you wants you to back up any claim. Quite frankly, I question anything a person says if they can't even understand basic physics (like gravity).
9/29/2007 10:58:47 PM
Heh, flat-earther...I break wind in your general direction.
9/29/2007 11:53:25 PM
Aw, you have to support your assertions. Diddums.
Jesus, and Freepers actually call liberals whiny?!
9/30/2007 12:40:54 AM
And having to prove outlandish assertions before being taken seriously is bad... why?
By the way, something might seem obvious and could still be wrong. A few hundred years ago, you could say that heavy objects fall faster than light objects and you wouldn't need to prove it. But if scientists such as Galileo didn't challenge that and demand proof or data, or do experiments themselves, then our understanding of physics would be all messed up. See how this works?
9/30/2007 2:04:54 AM
If it needs to be proven, it's not obvious. If it's obvious, you're not looking at it hard enough.
9/30/2007 3:35:12 AM
Don't feel bad, I do it with everybody, because that's the way to check reality. If I didn't, I'd have to believe that Aliens abduct us, that snakes speak, that Atlantis was a real location and that it will rise again and conquer the world..........
9/30/2007 4:14:36 AM
Yes, thats right. The best definition of the modus operandi of science.
Oh, and I hope it was "...all evolution fanatics" and not "..just some evolution fanatics".
9/30/2007 4:48:57 AM
"...you are expect to prove every assertion, no matter how obvious....."
Congratulations, you get it!
9/30/2007 5:26:07 AM
It's not my fault you keep smearing your religion all over my science. And I'm tired of your sneering comments referring to my afterlife in Hell.
9/30/2007 5:45:16 AM
Scientists want proof?
9/30/2007 6:41:37 AM
You mean those mean old evil-utionists want you to prove your assertions? Wow, if that isn't anti-Christian persecution, nothing is.
9/30/2007 8:03:26 AM
More fundie whining about how unfair it is that they dont get to have their own way all the time.
9/30/2007 8:33:51 AM