I would like to see all this "evidence" you are talking about. Set up a website with pictures. Put up links. I'm really really curious. By the way, if your "proof" turns out to be the bible, I'm going to be really annoyed.
9/29/2007 3:11:07 PM
Here's his proof:
"It are a fact. I know because of my learnings."
9/29/2007 3:20:27 PM
How is it that when public schools don't discuss something, they're implying it doesn't exist? Kids in a public school might never learn the history of Equitorial Guinea, but that doesn't mean that the school is implying that it didn't happen. Public schools might never discuss the function of the canine spleen, but that's not the same as teaching students that dogs don't have spleens.
9/29/2007 3:35:20 PM
Funny you should tell me to check the historicity of Jesus. I've been doing that lately and there really is no evidence outside of the Bible that any of the specific events in the gospels happened.
9/29/2007 3:35:48 PM
It's kind of like a forensic investigator going to court and saying "The police sent us the proof- DNA samples and fingerprints. But we've never actually seen the police before, and we accidentally lost all the fingerprints except the left pinky, which got irreparably smudged by an intern. Also we dropped the DNA samples down the toilet. But trust us, we know who the criminal is."
Also, check out the irony of "it's up to you whether to dogmatically ignore the evidence if it doesn't fit with your misconceptions".
9/29/2007 3:46:58 PM
Next time you say that there proof beyond reasonable doubt, I will bring the Golden Pages. Now any book is a proof beyond reasonable doubt.
9/29/2007 4:09:34 PM
As for proof, look up the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ - the evidence is fairly conclusive that he did - definitely beyond reasonable doubt.
Sure, if by "look up the historicity" you mean "Consult the Bible and No Other Source", then yes, this statement is true.
9/29/2007 4:34:07 PM
There not only no proof -- historical or acheological -- that Jesus rose from the dead, there is no proof that such a person ever existed.
If you have proof of God, congratulations. You're the first in human history to accomplish this.
9/29/2007 4:51:01 PM
What about Luke? He claims to have based his Gospel on independent research.
9/29/2007 4:56:54 PM
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
I think someone would have noticed that. If that happened, I'd be willing to stake my life on there being more than that one written account.
9/29/2007 5:43:57 PM
Even your ridiculous Bible doesn't claim Jesus came from another planet.
9/29/2007 6:06:18 PM
Instead of dumping the load on the public schools, why not use some of your tax-loophole money and build k-12 baptist schools? Are you too cheap, or can't you get your curriculum accredited anywhere?
9/29/2007 7:09:01 PM
James, the book of Revelation was supposed to be a prophecy. Only the author "saw it". Not the best book to use to make a point about other people in history writing about witnessing the events.
9/29/2007 7:46:14 PM
However, public schools, by their sidestepping of the whole issue accidentally imply that there isn't.
No, they say that it's not government's business to tell you whether or not there is a god. If someone is stupid enough to read atheism into that, that's their problem.
As for proof, look up the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ - the evidence is fairly conclusive that he did
There is no evidence even of Jesus' existence, let alone his resurrection, outside of what was written by his followers who had a vested interest in the subject.
9/29/2007 9:01:56 PM
"Also it is possible to prove there is a God"
REALLY! Can you show it to me please?
"We've had contact - God's sent us the proof: Jesus"
...oh. Some guy SAID he was God. OK. Well then...
I WAS SENT BY GOD. THEREFORE I AM PROOF OF GOD. NO CORROBORATION NECESSARY (nothing to see here)!!
9/29/2007 10:26:33 PM
The bible disagrees on facts about Jesus, and there is not other evidence that he even existed, much less did anything. Crowds of 3,000 people would have been documented by government officials (it was illegal at that time under roman law), and there would have been multiple other written eyewitness accounts too. There most definitely would have been written accounts if a person had risen from the dead, death wounds and all, and yet there isn't (outside the few in the bible that disagree on it).
You also seem to forget that there are other religions. Should the kids be forced to pray to those gods as well? See now why it's best to just not include religious indoctrination in public school?
9/29/2007 10:32:54 PM
Okay, let's have this evidence of yours. Come on, where is it? Where is this conclusive proof that Jesus:
2. came back to life
3. ascended into heaven
I have been reading this christian crap for years now and even though every fucking fundie says that there IS evidence, they consistently fail to provide it. Funny that.
9/30/2007 12:35:50 AM
Well, you can't get much plainer than that, can you? "Public schools should be pushing our religion, and they're oppressing us if they don't."
It's easy to laugh at these people, but we should be scared of them, too.
9/30/2007 12:44:18 AM
Instead of dumping the load on the public schools, why not use some of your tax-loophole money and build k-12 baptist schools?
I've tutored a few students from such schools -- and we really don't want more. They teach, among other fun facts, that the Constitutional right to life applies only to Christians.
9/30/2007 3:19:37 AM
"Also it is possible to prove there is a God..."
And that proof would be?
9/30/2007 5:37:26 AM
Have you managed to disprove the idea that our fates are controlled my mystical purple elves living under a garden shed in the Andromeda Galaxy? No? Then I guess we should teach it in public schools.
9/30/2007 7:58:30 AM
what he's saying is that it's impossible to prove a negative. nothing you can possibly say completely rules out the existence of god. course the bit about there being absolute proof because god sent Jesus and the bible says is ridiculous, but he's not saying he has proof of god, just that it is theoretically possible to prove god and not possible to disprove him.
9/30/2007 8:19:43 AM
By all means, show us your evidence then, because no one has ever found any before...
9/30/2007 10:56:48 AM
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA (BREATHE) HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
9/30/2007 11:02:04 AM
Let me get this straight, the proof that your religious figure in the sky exists(with no proof outside the Bible) is another religious figure that is related and supposedly came down to earth(with no proof outside the Bible), and you have the damn gall to say the people that disagree with you "dogmatically ignore the evidence as it doesn't fit in with your misconceptions". BAHAHAHAHAHA. You are one hypocritical dolt.
9/30/2007 4:38:26 PM