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#295363
Goosey
Paragraph 1 - wrong; creationism is not science, it's an attempt to prove a Biblically literalistic viewpoint and is therefore too biased to be science.
Paragraph 2 - correct; but what they found was actually evidence for evolution.
Paragraph 3 - wrong; does not follow.
1/3 - see me after class.
9/26/2007 2:10:48 AM
#295367
David G
...and creationism became popular when we thought the four elements that made up the universe were water, air, fire, and earth.
9/26/2007 2:14:22 AM
#295376
Rhys
Yay, I get to be the first one to fix this
"god is dead. However, its rotting corpse is still propped up by its followers to try and convince everyone that it is still alive and well. It is time to bury it and let reality take over... "
9/26/2007 2:22:24 AM
#295401
Zardoz
Wow, 0 for 3, amazing!
9/26/2007 2:56:06 AM
#295409
Ex-Fundie
150 years of proclaiming the "end of Darwinism" was just around the corner... is this the same kind of time standard in which the rapture is coming "soon?" Duke Nukem Forever will be released before evolution ever meets an impending doom.
9/26/2007 3:10:44 AM
#295425
This guy needs to come back to science class ASAP.
9/26/2007 3:27:09 AM
#295435
JD
ex-fundie: Hey according to their descriptions, I'm thinking their "rapture" IS, in fact, Duke Nukem Forever!
9/26/2007 3:36:03 AM
#295456
David B.
"Ask Galileo. His main problem was not with the Catholic church, but with professors that believed the earth was the center of the universe and did not move."
It the Vatican, not 'professors', who wrote in 1616:
"[Heliocentrism is] Philosophically foolish and absurd, and is considered official heresy because it explicitly contradicts the meaning of Scripture in many places, in terms of the verbal significance of the words and in terms of the accepted interpretation and understanding of the Church Fathers and the Doctors of Theology."
And when Galileo did defend heliocentrism, it was the Inquisition, not 'professors', who tried him. And they, not 'professors' who wrote in 1633:
"Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei, of Florence, aged seventy years, were denounced in 1615, to this Holy Office, for holding as true a false doctrine taught by many, namely, that the sun is immovable in the center of the world, and that the earth moves, and also with a diurnal motion; also, for having pupils whom you instructed in the same opinions; [...] also, for answering the objections which were continually produced from the Holy Scriptures, by glozing the said Scriptures according to your own meaning; and whereas thereupon was produced the copy of a writing, in form of a letter professedly written by you to a person formerly your pupil, in which, following the hypothesis of Copernicus, you include several propositions contrary to the true sense and authority of the Holy Scriptures; therefore (this Holy Tribunal being desirous of providing against the disorder and mischief which were thence proceeding and increasing to the detriment of the Holy Faith) by the desire of his Holiness and the Most Emminent Lords, Cardinals of this supreme and universal Inquisition, the two propositions of the stability of the sun, and the motion of the earth, were qualified by the Theological Qualifiers as follows:
1. The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures.
2. The proposition that the earth is not the center of the world, nor immovable, but that it moves, and also with a diurnal action, is also absurd, philosophically false, and, theologically considered, at least erroneous in faith.
Therefore . . . , invoking the most holy name of our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Most Glorious Mother Mary, We pronounce this Our final sentence: We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo . . . have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world; also, that an opinion can be held and supported as probable, after it has been declared and finally decreed contrary to the Holy Scripture, and, consequently, that you have incurred all the censures and penalties enjoined and promulgated in the sacred canons and other general and particular constituents against delinquents of this description. From which it is Our pleasure that you be absolved, provided that with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith, in Our presence, you abjure, curse, and detest, the said error and heresies, and every other error and heresy contrary to the Catholic and Apostolic Church of Rome."
Clearly kdanley knows even less about history than they do about science. Which is in fact a quite remarkable achievement!
9/26/2007 4:27:33 AM
#295457
Xotan
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Galileo's problem was caused because what he taught meant that miracles in the Bible couldn't have happened - eg the sun standing still for Joshua. Ergo, the Bible was Not infallible. So I suppose you do not accept Galileo even yet, despite all the evidence that has stacked up in his favour.
2.
Er...
3.
There's none so blind as he who will not see. You insult intelligence.
9/26/2007 4:29:27 AM
#295481
anevilmeme
Creationism is dead. However, its rotting corpse is still propped up by its followers to try to convince everyone that it is still alive and well. It is time to bury it and let reason take over.
Fixed.
9/26/2007 5:37:53 AM
#295488
szena
More history revisionism by creationists.
They know they will look foolish saying that Galileo was wrong, so now they rewrite history to say that he was fighting against the 'scientific establishment' rather than the church.
Fundies will tell you with a perfectly straight face that the Bible was written from the point of view of someone standing on earth when it talks about astronomy, then insist that it was dictated by God when it talks about biology.
9/26/2007 5:49:50 AM
#295511
flipper
Gee kdanley is multi-talentless. Not everyone can prove themselves totally ignorant of history and totally clueless in evolution.
9/26/2007 6:48:33 AM
#295618
Osiris
No, Galileo's problem was with the Catholic Church. Scientists at the time did not have the power, in fact they still don't have it, to place someone under house arrest.
9/26/2007 9:55:56 AM
#295642
Follow the Blind
Why are people so buttfucking stupid. There never was and never will be a "conflict" between "evolution" and "creation", because they are explainations for two entirely different things. EVOLUTION DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHERE WE CAME FROM, ONLY HOW WE CHANGED AND ADDAPTED.
9/26/2007 10:09:51 AM
#295650
David B.
It's ironic that if the bible had said that god had created the most infinitesimal speck of life first, and spread it across the waters of the Earth, and had then rested 6 billion days while the speck had grown fruitful and multiplied not after its kind but became a multitude of beautiful creatures in accordance with the will of God; then the later discovery of evolution, common descent, etc. would have been the most astounding confirmation of biblical truth imaginable.
Shame the big G. decided to go overboard on the allegory and forgot to include any corroborating facts in his creation whatsoever!
9/26/2007 10:19:17 AM
#295692
Jezebel's Evil Sister
" ... Scientists thought that cells were just simple blocks that combined to make something complex. When they finally managed to crack one open and look inside they found the opposite was true. ...
What, if anything, does this mean??????
9/26/2007 11:10:50 AM
#295826
Trilobiter
Evolution is dead.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
9/26/2007 3:36:14 PM
#295848
John
Ask Galileo. His main problem was not with the Catholic church, but with professors that believed the earth was the center of the universe and did not move.
No, Galileo's main problem really was with the Catholic Church. And underneath, it wasn't actually over the science. Copernicus had said the same thing a century earlier and no one did anything to him. Galileo tried to offer scriptural support for his theory, which put him in conflict with the Church. In other words, he didn't just say the earth goes around the sun; he tried to say, what's more, the Bible agrees with me.
9/26/2007 4:26:23 PM
#295900
Mister Spak
"The battle between evolution and creation is not between science and religion, but of two conflicting
paradigms. Creationists claim that the bible is more real than reality and that evolution is only a theory, like gravity.
9/26/2007 5:38:23 PM
#295901
Galileo
Losing tenure is one thing ...
9/26/2007 5:42:04 PM
#295936
Old Viking
The only conflict exists in the minds (I use the loose construction) of fundies.
9/26/2007 6:33:44 PM
#295950
Alena
I really like the analogy at the end. Reminds me of an Irish funeral, except with less alcohol. And that, ladies and gentleman, is a crime.
9/26/2007 6:49:49 PM
#295965
David D.G.
"Historical Revisionist" Award would be appropriate for this one, methinks. Though it deals with only one man, the case is so prominent in history as to make this revision equivalent to Holocaust denial.
~David D.G.
9/26/2007 7:24:57 PM
#295980
cui bono
"When they finally managed to crack one open and look inside they found...."
Crack one open! what the fuck are you ranting on. oh yes and when they finished "Cracking" it open, they found a.... "Soul", "divine spark" ?, I don't think so.
9/26/2007 7:55:53 PM
#296010
Tempus
Evolution became popular before they knew what was inside a cell. Scientists thought that cells were just simple blocks that combined to make something complex. When they finally managed to crack one open and look inside they found the opposite was true. that the cell contained simple yet sophisticated building blocks, which were remarkably alike even in wildly dissimilar organisms, speaking volumes about their ultimate common origin.
There. Fixed!
9/26/2007 9:16:28 PM
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