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#295348
agentCDE
"Bombing attacks and murder are only right when I planted the bomb."
9/26/2007 1:27:30 AM
#295349
089
This guy is one up and coming troll.
9/26/2007 1:28:09 AM
#295354
Goosey
In summation of your views, and to paraphrase Jean-Paul Sartre: "Le terrorisme, c'est les autres." Right?
9/26/2007 1:43:02 AM
#295356
Brian X
The difference is basically this:
Terrorists are activists who intimidate by breaking shit that isn't theirs to break.
It's definitely overly broad (includes everything from a serial monkeywrencher to the 9/11 perps), but it's a good first approximation. In a sense, the Sons of Liberty were terrorists, though they were more concerned with terrorizing the colonial governments than harassing citizens. But by that token you also can't call someone a terrorist for advocating a dissenting opinion, any more than you can legitimately claim oppression when someone is stopping you from harrassing others with religious doctrine. (There's a reason even some democratic countries have anti-proselytization laws -- it's not just about religious protectionism.)
As for "abortion=murder", I agree that it's quite unpleasant, but personally I've always advocated a two-trimester rule based on matters of viability and consciousness.
9/26/2007 1:52:58 AM
#295385
Rhys
the attack upon abortion clinics seeks to stop the brutal murder of innocents.
By murdering innocents. Nice work.
terrorism seeks to murder and cause fear
Incorrect. Terrorism seeks to use violence and fear not as an end unto itself, but as a means to an end... sounds a lot like someone using violence and fear to get people to stop destroying a bunch of cells inside their body (I didn't use the word "kill" because you cannot kill something that is not alive).
Is it "murder" when you clean your fish tank and toss out or otherwise get rid of the algae that accumulates? Or how about throwing out moldy cheese or bread? They are more alive than your so called "murdered innocents".
9/26/2007 2:33:35 AM
#295420
And bombing an abortion clinic(abortions will carry on anyway, even if you kill everybody)to stop the activity isn't to instill fear?. Incidentally, the same rationale have other terrorists.
9/26/2007 3:22:23 AM
#295460
Xotan
'abortion clinics are attacked because children are murdered there and the law temporarily allows it.'
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of abortion, this is terrorism. A strange logic too - to stop murder by committing murder! Lunacy.
'terrorism seeks to murder and cause fear.'
Agreed - but see my previous comment above.
'the attack upon abortion clinics seeks to stop the brutal murder of innocents.
See my first comment. Don't you have ANY logic?
'"...Then youre a perfect candidate for the Taliban since your mindset fits in so well with their cause;"'
I think your mindset is more in line with that of the Taliban. Murder to stop murder is murder for all that! I don't make a false distinction as you do. It is a moral foundation stone that the end never justifies the means.
9/26/2007 4:45:22 AM
#295480
Lt. Fred
Terrorism is any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act."
That is the UN's position. Is that sufficient to be worthy of an educated person such as yourself, Bradley?
The worst three terrorist attacks ever were the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the allied bombing raids in WW2 in general.
Spetember 11- 3000ish dead.
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo firestorm, Yokohama, Kobe- 330000- 500000+ 100000 airmen (Wikipedia)
Allied bombing (Europe)- 330000- 600000
Who's worse, I forgot?
Indeed many more Iraqi citizens (and Afgani citizens) have been killed by Americans in the War on Terror than anyone else. All the Americans need to do to win the 'War on Terror' is pack up and go home.
At the moment, the worst recognised terrorist organisation is the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka- so the US invaded the defenceless Iraq just to show them how well could use a map.
9/26/2007 5:36:11 AM
#295482
Lt. Fred
However murder to stop murder is simply a matter of mathematics. If I kill this tin pot dictator, if it will save more than one person it is not murder (not legally of course- the law doesn't care, which his guy doesn't seem to grasp- but morally, certainly). Less than one person (not cell) it is.
9/26/2007 5:40:20 AM
#295483
anevilmeme
Without thowing in esquire this wouldn't be funny. Bravo Bradley you may be the troll of the year.
9/26/2007 5:41:20 AM
#295495
Oriet
"Killing innocents to stop something is terrorism, but MY killing innocents to stop something isn't." Yeah, real smart there Bradley. Might want to stop and rethink that.
Methinks you do not know the meaning of the word "esquire" either. Might want to crack open a dictionary or something. I'm sure if you were intelligent enough to actually have the title esquire apply to you, you'd realize the idiocy of your post.
9/26/2007 6:16:15 AM
#295502
Redhunter
Wow. So it's not terrorism if you do it or agree with the reason? No way dumbfuck. Shit don't work that way in the real world.
9/26/2007 6:29:18 AM
#295503
LabRat
Oh no, not more BradleyBS
9/26/2007 6:29:49 AM
#295516
flipper
Wrong BradleyTS, you are the "perfect candidate for the Taliban" since (1) they oppose abortion, (2) they accept no one else's opinion, (3) they believe their religion is the only one and they must force it on you, (4) they believe in murdering their opponents and those that disagree with them, to achieve their ends, (5) they are self-righteous, hypocritical assholes who try to project their violence and intolerance on others.
9/26/2007 6:57:06 AM
#295616
Osiris
A fetus is not a child. Stop using loaded language to justifiy terrorism.
9/26/2007 9:53:23 AM
#295646
Follow the Blind
Something must have independant thoughts in its head and be aware of its own existence to be considered a life. A good example would be the the doctors killed in the attacks on abortion clinics. Hold up a mirror, there's your fucking murderer.
9/26/2007 10:16:51 AM
#295666
Mike
Please take yourself out of the gene pool.
9/26/2007 10:36:53 AM
#295668
Rubyfruit
terrorism seeks to murder and cause fear.
Like blowing up abortion clinics to kill the doctors (and, God forbid, any patients therein), therefore causing fear to the families and any unfortunate women who feel that they must come to that choice?
...By your own definition, BradleyTS, you are a terrorist. And an evil, evil person.
9/26/2007 10:39:21 AM
#295683
Sandman
A "terrorist" is someone who uses violence or the threat of violence in an attempt to generate sufficient fear, or "terror" in a target population, group, or government to force that target population, group, or government to comply with the wishes and demands of the terrorist.
Abortion clinic bombers are doing precisely that. There is no difference between a member of the KKK, a member of al Qaeda, and an abortion clinic bomber.
9/26/2007 11:03:46 AM
#295774
Count Spatula
No, the people who bomb abortion clincs want to scare people away from having abortions. They are one in the same brad...
9/26/2007 12:55:22 PM
#295792
Puck
Islamic terrorists kill to stop the sacrilege.
Christian activists kill to stop the sacrilege.
Biiiiig difference.
9/26/2007 1:37:15 PM
#295794
anti-nonsense
blowing up buildings is terrorism no matter who did it.
9/26/2007 1:38:21 PM
#295942
Old Viking
He's pigheaded, the other guy's stubborn and I'm resolute.
I made my living with words for 50 years, Bradley. Wanna play?
9/26/2007 6:44:23 PM
#296055
Drakeal V2.0
Then youre a perfect candidate for the Taliban since your mindset fits in so well with their cause
Mirror, mirror, on the wall...
9/26/2007 10:32:05 PM
#296090
Mister Spak
Except the cold blooded murder only exists in your religion. You are killing people for not obeying your religion - Just like the Taliban. Your mindset fits in so well with their cause.
9/26/2007 11:14:38 PM
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