Dr. Henry Morris, a respected Christian / creationist, suggests that there were TEN TRILLION people alive before the flood. How many of them were saved from God's wrath and judgement? Eight.
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So, according to Dr.Henry Morris, during the late Bronze Age the Earth supported a human population over fifteen thousand times larger than it does at present.
I wonder which Learned Institution thought this idiot worthy of a PhD?
Yay, a "respected Christian/creationist".
Even assuming such a thing exists-- why do we care what he says? Is he a respected anthropologist? No? A respected sociologist, then? No.. oh... A respected archeaologist maybe? No...no? Just a respected Christian... oh.... how nice for him.
So eight people
mom & dad,
4 boys and their wives repopulated the earth.
Apart from incest, what about inbreeding?!
(tho' it could explain the fundies)
Well.
Let's make a big assumption that prior to the flood planet earth had NO water area and was ONLY land. A bullshit assumption, clearly - but you'll see why I'm making it in a moment.
Planet earth has a surface area of roughly 510 million square km. ( source: http://www.graphicmaps.net/aatlas/infopage/earth.htm ). That means in order to have 10 trillion people on board this planet at the same time, the average space available to any individual person is 0.05 of a square metre, meaning nobody would be able to move!
Now, let's again keep in mind that's only for planet Earth with NO SURFACE WATER WHATSOEVER. If you were to re-do this calculation taking into account that only ~29.1% of the planet's surface is land, it becomes even more laughable.
In short, go away and don't bother us with this tish-tosh again.
This is the funny thing about creation science: If it's in the bible it's true. If not, you are free to bullshit or dismiss it as you see fit.
Once your story takes shape you're even free to ignore the one and only biböical source matetrial.
Besides, it's in the Bible that he killed off the whole earth. Trillion people is just an invention of this "respectable creationist", who doesn't bear in mind that any animal species or vegetal that God has created and is particularly prolific(some fishes can lay up to 12 million eggs), have to kill off 90% of them, because the earth has no capacity whatsoever to survive.
From two people to ten trillion in less than 2,000 years? That's the time between creation and the flood on most biblical timelines I've seen.
Can anyone do the math on that one? Even assuming that everyone lived for centuries, as a fundie will, I think each couple would have had to produce dozens of children.
"a respected Christian"
Not anymore bub.
First off, besides the obvious point that there's no way ten trillion people have ever or could ever exist on Earth, the flood story is inane, and not just from a scientific angle.
God killed all but 8 people on the Earth because they were bad, right? Yet, up until that point, the only direction he had given them was "don't eat from this tree", a tree to which they no longer had access. So, God murdered almost his entire creation because... why?
-pb
Ten Trillion? Impossible! If that many people populated the earth, they'd be piled up like sandbags forming a levy and the flood would have been impossible.
Oh yeah, life would have been impossible, too.
Ten trillion?
Really?
Who knew?
I would nominate this one to "superpopulation for Jesus" award, or better, "how to justify prohibition for masturbation when you don't have a clue". Honestly, a God who is able to exterminate so much for NOTHING is sitting quitely when people kill, steal and commit so many atrocities?, is he going to care about something you do in private and has no victims?
Dr. Henry Morris is only "respected" on the planet of the fundies by other creationist fruitloops. He had a degree in hydraulic civil engineering that mysteriously morphed into a degree in hydrogeology. He invented the stupidity of referring to evolution as a religion, youth earth creationism, and (my favorite) the theory that craters on the moon were "colateral damage" from a battle between satan and the archangel Michael. He was accused of misquoting other scientists to advance his creationist's and young earth beliefs(most famously changing "millions of years" to many "many years" to fit the YEC credo angering the misquoted author) and considered a racist for his views of the descendants of Ham(africans) being servile. Hardly a source to impress anyone but his naive audience.PS This is from an anti-masturabtion(?) article on the website! Perhaps I missed something here, but seems like if 2 people went to 10 trillion in 2000 years, masturbation wouldn't have seemed to be a problem. That would require an awful lot of fucking, not just with your lawfully married partner, but anyone who happened by. In fact, I can't see how they would have time for anything else, like raising food or building shelters or even sleeping.
"Dr. Henry Morris, a respected Christian / creationist, suggests that there were TEN TRILLION people alive before the flood. How many of them were saved from God's wrath and judgement? Eight."
And then one of them got pissed, passed out naked in his tent and cursed his son for walking in and seeing him naked.
Pastor Timothy Shumer, B.S., MOFO, OMG, LOL,
Isn't anyone even slightly suspicious that the entire real help for teens site might actually be a giant poe?
Just a bit! This and the "within hours of conception..." have me thinking it might be an Objective Ministries type dealie.
I heard once that in a flea-market in Benares(India), they were telling the story of Rama and the Battle of the Monkeys(Hindu Mythology). The old man said that the number of monkeys that took part on the battle was 10 to the 50th potence. Big isn't it?. Apparently, some Indian mathematicians have calculated that so many monkeys wouldn't fit in a sphere whose radium was equivalent to the dimensions of the solar system. So, coming back to the earth, who's this guy, who is so "respected"?, and why are they so angry if science doesn't take them seriously?
Ten trillion people, must have been an advanced civilization to feed all of these folks when we are struggling just to feed the 6.5 billion we already have.
Too bad none else either had the bright idea of building their own boat or sneaking onto the ark.
@szena
2000 years to go from 2 people to 10 trillion. That's a modified fibinacci problem. Here is the solution:
assume breeding age from 15 to 45
assume each year one child is born per breeding pair
assume no death
year 1-15 2
year 16 = year 15 + year 1 * .5
(all the people here last year still exist, and all the people from 15 years ago are now breeding)
year 17 = year 16 + year 2 * .5
..
year 46 = year 45 + year 31 * .5 - year 1 * .5
(all the poeple here last year still exist, all people who were here 15 years ago are breeding EXCEPT for people here 45 years ago who are no longer breeding)
Now using Excel, since I can't remember a quick way to collapse Fib. equations...
On year 288 you exceed 10 trillion.
... y'know, there aren't ten trillion people on the earth now even. Using your timeframe, it's impossible there were that many people,even if you're flood wasn't a myth.
10 trillion people?
These were the same people that were sharing the Earth with all the big dinos Kent Hovind mentioned when he spent numerous years telling everyone that The Flintstones was a documentary I suppose ...
Since the total land area of the Earth is 150 million square kilometres, this means that gives each human being a living space of 0.000015 square kilometres, or 15 square metres. Assuming that everyone is spread evenly over the Earth's surface of course. Which was pretty unlikely given that part of that land area is taken up by large deserts, mountain ranges etc. Subtract those areas from the total land area of the Earth, and we're left with a good deal less than 15 square metres per person. Which in turn means bugger all space for forests, agriculture etc.
Do the letters BA after this person's name mean "bullshit artist", by any chance?
To go from 2 to 10,000,000,000 in about 1500 years - that's a whole lot of fucking going on. Such sin!
Ahh, it all makes sense now.
10 trillion people could easily come about if the population were to double each generation for about 43 generations, and if each generation were roughly 20 years that would only require 860 years to have elapsed since Adam and Eve.
Of course to house that many people the Earth would have had to be much bigger then, so about the time of the flood, God would have made the Earth smaller by squeezing it, like a sponge.
At what happens when you squeeze a sponge? Water comes out! Thus we have also explained where the flood waters came from!
Of course, when God stopped squeezing the Earth some of the water would have been soaked back up again, hence the floods would have receded just as the bible says!
It's completely true!
No wait...
It's complete bullshit!
Damn, I'm forever getting those two mixed up!
Beccs:
It's a mixture of things. Some of it is just flat-out made up. Some of it (like Bishop Ussher's dating of creation) is based on one or another form of calculation based on Biblical dates. A lot of it comes from a mixture of quote-mining and wishful thinking, not to mention heavy doses of argument from incredulity.
Now let's see:
fundies say the world is 6000 years old.
Say the flood took place 3000 years ago, that would mean that in 3000 years the world's population rose from 2 (somehow forgetting the "how did Cain marry problem") to 10,000,000,000,000. After the flood 8 people repopulated the world in the same time to 6,000,000,000 - less than 0.1%.
What do they use for brains and intelligence - of course "god" made it happen.........
See, that would require a rabbit-like rate of procreation and/or sexual fertility, as well as enough time to do so.
And it would mean that God is completely heartless.
I found the following on www3.calvarychapel.com/hope/library/stauffer-claude/:
"Henry Morris in The New Defenders Study Bible comments, 'An initial population of two people, increasing at the rate of two percent (estimated to be the annual growth rate at present) would generate a population of well over 10 trillion people in 1,656 years (the time span from Adam to the flood).'
Assuming Calvary Chapel's quote is correct, I get 1.02^1656 = 1.75 x 10^14 = 175 x 10^12 = 175 trillion. So (a) 175 trillion even more ridiculous; and (b) unless I've made a stupid mistake, Morris didn't even get the arithmetic right and was off by a factor of ten.
Actually, there are a whole variety of Morris estimates: 137 billion, 9 billion, and who knows how many others. This guy just pulls numbers out of the air.
I swear I think these creationists compete to see just how utterly irrational they can be and still have their sheepish followers gobble up every ludicrous word.
And, when you argue with them online, it reminds me of arguments I had as a kid about SuperMan.
...and they all lived under the sea, because that's the only place they could fit.
Seriously, what in the name of Donkey Kong makes these wankers think they can just make things up without any evidence or, I don't know, rational thought ?
Doubling the population is an exercise in powers of 2: 1,2,4,8,16,32... 2^44=17.592*10^12, so there's you're 10 trillion. I suppose they could all live, if these were the days before fundies killed themselves with their guns or died young from playing with rattlesnakes at church.
This is kind of interesting. Given a population of 10 trillion, and a the land surface area of the earth rounded to 150 million square kilometers, that gives a population density of 66,666.666 people per square kilometer!!! NO WONDER GOD HAD TO DESTROY THE EARTH! 666! :)
Seriously though, almost 70,000 people per square kilometer over the entire land surface of the globe? A population density to rival the most crowded parts of Bombay or Mexico City over every iota of land on the planet? and no mention of the absolute impossibility of even feeding a fraction of such a population!
Laughing my mutha fuking ass off!!!
As funny as this is, I think Pastor Timothy may be misquoting Morris. I can find no reference of Morris claiming 10 trillion. Several, however, where he claims 5-17 billion, with 10 billion as an average. Extremely high, true, but not 10 trillion high...
To state the painfully obvious: total crock of shit. I'm not even going to go into why, because it would be very sad if I HAD to.
People like "Dr." Henry Morris should not legally be able to reproduce.
Ten trillion?
Really?
That's crowded!
(Hint Earth TOTAL area (water too) is 510065600 km²
10000000000000/510065600=19605.321354743389869852034718671
That's 19605 people per square kilometer over the entire planet, oceans included.
I don't think so.....
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The Earth can't handle 10 trillion people. It has a hard time handling 6 plus billion.
Plus, there is no evidence whatsoever of a world wide flood.
"How many of them were saved from God's wrath and judgement? Eight."
Not taking into account Henry pulling that figure out of his arse, how do you account for the variations in human beings? Blacks, Asians, Europeans, even the Polynesians? Not if you cross-bred billions in ten million years would you get the diversity that exists today. And what about the hideous mutations resulting from the industrial-strength inbreeding if you started from just eight people?
Like what 'Dr.' Morris says, the Bible is a bunch of arse.
One creationist says this, while every paleontologist, archeologist, and other scientists who study the environment and humans in the past and present say this not only have there never been that many humans at any point in time, but that Earth can't support that large a population.
10 Trillion on less than 150 million sq kilometers. That's about 15 sq metres per person (a circle about 13 feet across for our imperial friends). Of course, that leaves us no room for agriculture, rivers, uninhabitable land such as deserts and mountains. It also means we would have to produce more than 1500 times more food than we do now, from this non-existent agricultural land. Methinks your 'respected' deluded doctor needs to rethink his preposterous suggestion.
"Dr. Henry Morris, a respected Christian / creationist, suggests that there were TEN TRILLION people alive before the flood."
Michael Behe, a Professor of Biochemistry, gave testimony & submitted evidence for the defence in Kitzmiller vs. Dover.
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And he fucked up.
Moral: 'Suggestions' =/= Facts.
@Viva
"Respected creationist you say!
There is no such thing!"
(Interior, Houses of Parliament, House of Commons; post-Prime Ministers Questions)
(*Anon-e-moose MP, Minister for Destroying Fundie Bullshit approaches the Despatch Box *)
I refer the Honourable Member to the answer I gave just a few moments ago.
...oh, and two words: Kent Hovind.
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We would have entire geological strata composed entirely of malnourished human bones...
It seems pretty easy to become respected in this community. If I had less self respect I could make a fortune off of these rubes.
"Dr." Henry Morris is one of the greatest scam artists of all time, since he convinced a bunch of fundies to buy his shitty book that was mostly a rehash of arguments made by previous creationists for decades. So I'll give him credit for that. I guess he probably also isn't a terrible engineer. But he sure isn't a scientist.
Ten trillion people, holy shit. They'd need land in space to make the food for them, since every inch of the planet would be covered in buildings to house everyone. So God killed almost ten trillion people and set humanity back to the Bronze Age in the process. And he's the good guy, remember!
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