Well if you wrote it, then there goes any shred of credibility down the drain.
8/28/2007 7:29:37 PM
Then don't get vaccinated?
8/28/2007 7:30:22 PM
The articles mentioned (all written by Katy-Anne).
I think Katy-Anne misread some people when she heard chicken embryos were used to manufacture vaccines. She left out the chicken word.
8/28/2007 7:57:43 PM
SOYLENT POLIO VACCINE IS HUMANS!
8/28/2007 8:04:56 PM
No, a weaker version of the disease intended to be cured is used inside of vaccines. This way when your body encounters this defenseless version of a deadly virus it can build antibodies to help you fight against said virus next time it infects you.
God you're the one who is mislead.
8/28/2007 8:05:21 PM
C&P from the comment thread so that it's not missed by others.
So I finally decided to track down this "zomg vaccines are made from aborted fetuses" crap. I didn't find much at first, but dug a little and found this blog entry, a review of a book. I'm not linking directly due to the borken URL filter. You'll need to copy and paste.
Apparently there was indeed one vacciene made with the assistance of ... one aborted fetus. One. Just one. Nearly 50 years ago.
The vaccine is for rubella. For the uninformed, rubella strikes adults and children as, well, not a harsh disease at all, but it completely screws up fetuses.
So, lemme see here... one aborted fetus, donated to science, resulted in a vaccine that saved countless children from suffering.
So while their delusion is based in fact, it's been blown entirely out of proportion by anti-abortion advocates.
8/28/2007 8:08:39 PM
So the saga continues. If by "profit" you mean the advancement of science then yes, developing vaccinations is of an intellectual profit to society. The thing is that they do NOT use aborted tissues to do that, and there is no such thing as a "medical establishment". Get your fucking facts straight.
8/28/2007 8:15:40 PM
Andy for the win.
Katey, your profound ignorance is going to cost you your happiness and/or your life, or the lives & happiness of your Flying-Spaghetti-Monster forsaken children.
8/28/2007 8:20:19 PM
There are some vaccinations grown from fetal tissue: Meruvax (rubella), Varivax (chickenpox), and Havrix (Hep. A). There was apparently a flu vaccine in testing that also used human cultures, but I think that has been abandoned.
Even with this information, it is safe to assume that these vaccinations pose no threat to your moral system, as these abortions happened in the 60's, and since these cultures have a solid history of accurately curing disease, there is no further need for abortions to have any effect on the production of these vaccines. Once again, these cultures are already established, and no further fetal material is needed to make them.
Now, according to your belief system, martyrs have a backdoor to heaven, and I'm sure even the staunchest Christian doesn't believe that unborn children are doomed to hell. These 3 specific fetuses that contributed to these vaccinations have in turn saved COUNTLESS lives. If there is an afterlife, and these fetuses can actually be considered people, they are surely pleased with their contribution to human life.
Have you no logic? Even worse yet, have you no compassion?
8/28/2007 8:31:54 PM
Some vaccines are produced using cell cultures that were originally obtained from two human fetuses that had been aborted. The abortions were not done to obtain cell cultures. They were done at the choice of the mothers for their own personal reasons. They would have been done regardless of whether or not the cells were later used for medical research. One abortion was done in 1961 and the other in 1966. The fetuses were already dead when the cultures were taken. The scientists who produced the cultures had nothing to do with the abortions.
In the 1960's, a number of women underwent abortions because they had contracted rubella at the onset of their pregnancy and feared birth defects. A group of fetuses from these abortions, which otherwise would have been destroyed, were scanned for the virus. When the virus was found, it was isolated from the fetal tissue and grown on the 1961 fetal cell culture to produce the vaccine.
No abortions have been done for vaccines. The same two cell cultures (called WI-38 and MRC-5) have been propagated ever since the 1960's. There is no need for any additional fetal tissue.
The main argument by anti-abortion advocates is a "slippery slope" argument: if we allow vaccines to be produced using aborted tissue, even if the abortions happened 40 years ago and the fetuses would otherwise have been destroyed anyway, we start down the slippery slope of using fetal tissue for other purposes. This makes about as much sense as any other slippery slope argument (i.e., none).
It is sad to see how misleading Katy Anne is trying to be.
8/28/2007 8:44:27 PM
Folks if you can stomach reading the original article, you find quotes from all kinds of anti-abortion groups, the thoroughly loathesome woman-hater and domestic abuse apologist so-oft quoted over here, David L. Stewart, and some less-than-scientific creationist groups. There is not a single valid newssource, unbiased commentary, or checkable fact in the whole durn article. Unless Katy-Anne can come up with some credible, unbiased sources, I'm going to have to assume that she is sadly(and willingly) mislead. Katy-Anne, this isn't Brother Randy's naive sheep or the KJB fundie league, you have to bring real facts and real neutral sources backing up your stories. NO SALE!!!
8/28/2007 9:04:44 PM
I'm going to laugh until I cry. How can one person say so much and still be so wrong?
8/28/2007 9:19:38 PM
Even funnier than that is another post I found from Katy-Anne:
"Majoring in journalism and public relations in college (although I did not finish my degree) taught me a few things. One of the things that I learned was that it is easy to take quotes someone has written, pull them out of context, and make that person out to say something that they did not say. I find it interesting that a lot of people think that they know all about D..."
8/28/2007 9:23:55 PM
You have no idea how vaccines are made do you? Then don't talk about it unless you know squat.
8/28/2007 9:37:04 PM
The problem, dear heart, is that you have no skill whatsoever in distinguishing a reliable information source from a pile of doodoo. Just because someone said it or wrote it doesn't make it true.
8/28/2007 10:26:26 PM
John: Thank you for that information.
I find it depressing and annoying that the first Google result for both of those numbers is from an anti-vaccine propaganda site.
8/28/2007 10:27:56 PM
"The problem, dear heart, is that you have no skill whatsoever in distinguishing a reliable information source from a pile of doodoo."
maybe that's why she never finished her degree. >_>
8/28/2007 10:46:30 PM
It's a well kept secret by the Evil Atheist Science Union (EASU) that vaccines (especially vaccines that protect promiscuous women from STDs) are created by placing a crucifix and a newborn baby into a blender and pouring the solution into a syringe.
8/28/2007 11:09:12 PM
Evil Doctor: Lol letz kill some babys tooday!
Abortionist: Oh goody we can use babys to make mor moneys!
I mean, really now. Is this how the fundies see things?
8/28/2007 11:13:42 PM
THE SCIENCES ARE FUELED BY DEAD BABIES!
8/28/2007 11:44:51 PM
Yeah, I majored in public relations in college too, Katy-Anne. Unlike you, I went to a good journalism school and actually finished my degree. I learned how to distinguish credible sources from non-credible ones. Apparently you didn't have those classes-- y'know, research principles, news writing, editing, principles of PR, just to name a few. I don't know which pathetic j-school let you in, but you don't deserve to claim PR experience. You're just another deluded fundie so wrapped up in your beliefs that you can't see how warped your sources really are.
I weep for your unborn child. They've got a life of ignorance and oppression ahead of them.
8/28/2007 11:48:41 PM
Dear Katy Anne,
Your statement is completely false, but I'm fairly sure you know this. Lying for Jesus will not get you into heaven.
Katy Anne: But Lord, I did it for a good cause!
Jesus: Lying is still lying.You're going to burn for this, Katy Anne!
8/29/2007 1:19:31 AM
Kate, a vaccine is a weakened virus which is shot in the body to make the defence recognise it. In fact, sometimes not even that. When I was vaccined against meningitis type c, they told me that they only injected me the cap of the bug. Now, where does abortion fits?
8/29/2007 3:52:31 AM
Aborted babies aren't used in vaccines. Embryos are used in vaccines, but they're chicken embryos, commonly known as eggs.
Katy Anne, I suggest you actually visit reality some time. You might not like it, but you might actually learn something true.
8/29/2007 6:19:27 AM
I posted this when Katy-Anne made the original post, and I'm going to say it again.
I had several thoughts about this, some of which were quite vulgar and insulting to Katy-Anne.
But I thought better of it, because I've read some of Katy-Anne's stuff, at kjbonly and t-4-c, and I think she seems pretty intelligent. And that breaks my heart.
Bear with me here for a minute -- I think her views are utterly asinine, to be sure. But she can put together a well-thought out paragraph or three, seems to be well-versed in religion, and otherwise seems to have a pretty good mind.
And what's she using it for? A near cult-like devotion to one version of the Bible and parroting bizarre conspiracy theories about one of the great life-saving miracles of the modern world. I see for her a future life where the only intellectual stimulation she'll get, or is even allowed to get, in home-schooling her kids.
As they say at the United Negro College Fund, "a mind is a terrible thing to waste." And Katy-Anne, that's what you're doing. God gave you a mind that appears to have a lot of potential, and you're frittering it away. Who knows, you might be the person God intended to cure cancer. Or lead a movement to end poverty. Or maybe start a ministry that inspires thousands of people.
I'm a Christian, just like you. Yeah, our theological viewpoints are pretty far removed, but I go to church pretty much every Sunday, and I pray to God, too. And I'll be blunt -- I think you're breaking God's heart.
We get plenty of quotes from drooling idiots on here -- those I find amusing. But when you see someone with obvious potential like Katy-Anne -- I weep for the human race.
8/29/2007 7:12:18 AM