Sorry purr-chase, but you don't get off the hook so easily. He was a christian and had the support of other christians in his actions. The christian community might try to deny all of this but it is in the historical record and cannot be ignored. (Yes, I know that fundamentalist christians are not know for their open acceptance of the historical record, but I can still hope.)
5/28/2007 10:44:40 AM
He claimed to be doing God's work to gain support for what he did. He knew perfectly well that the German people would go along with it.
Did VD affect the minds of most Germans?
5/28/2007 11:01:09 AM
I'm not even sure he had VD.
5/28/2007 11:10:00 AM
I'm damn sure he didn't have any STD. As for being a Christian ... well, no. Unless you stretch the word so far it loses all meaning. I'd say his religious views are best expresed as Deist. Himmler was a Christian, though.
5/28/2007 11:21:36 AM
Wuh? Wasn't Himmler pagan?
5/28/2007 12:58:42 PM
according to wikipedia
Himmler also underwent religious turmoil during his studies at Munich Technische Hochschule. In his diaries he claimed to be a devout Catholic, and wrote that he would never turn away from the church. However, he was a member of a fraternity which he felt to be at odds with the tenets of the church: biographers have defined Himmler's theology as Ariosophy, his own religious dogma of racial superiority of the Aryan race and Germanic Meso-Paganism, partly from his interests in folklore and mythology of the ancient Teutonic tribes of Northern Europe. Himmler turned into a disbeliever in Christian doctrine and was also very critical of sermons given by priests, but felt that the teachings of the church were of the utmost importance to Aryans, as he thought that a \"supreme deity\" had chosen the German people to rule the world.
5/28/2007 1:15:49 PM
Nope. Himmler dabbled in the occult, as they say, and some Nazis (ones well down the totem pole) did embrace a sort of paganism, Himmler (and Heydrich even more so) were and remained devout Catholics.
Edit:: I am very sceptical of that Wikipedia entry - it overplays Himmler's interest in the occult massively. The trouble is, it's a subject that so much bollocks has been written about, the truth is hard to discern beneath the layers of myth.
5/28/2007 1:16:23 PM
Bush believes this same type of stuff. Not to the extreme that Hitler took it, of course, but he believes he's being told to start wars directly by God. And I doubt ol' Dubya has VD.
5/28/2007 2:04:50 PM
Siding with Tiny Bulcher. Just because 'No True Scotsman' is fallacious at its core, doesn't mean there are no false Scotsmen, or that everyone claiming to be Scottish is to be believed automatically.
5/28/2007 2:06:11 PM
Hmmm, purr got pwned.
5/28/2007 2:16:39 PM
purr got owned except for the pesky issue of the truth. It is highly likely that Hitler had syphilis and this would have drastically impacted his mental health.
Hitler killed in his own name, the only time his Christianity should be brought up is when fundies try to pin Hitler on Darwin or Atheism. Outside of that, your an asshole if you imply that Christian theology had anything to do with Hitler's ambitions or plans.
5/28/2007 2:26:46 PM
Chrisitanity has a long and storied history of evil acts against Jews, anon. Deal with it.
5/28/2007 2:31:16 PM
Yes, and Goebbels, and Himmel, and Ernst Rohm,.................can't you accept that he was maybe a perverted Christian, thanks in part to people like you?
5/28/2007 3:29:24 PM
5/28/2007 3:34:44 PM
\"Hitler had VD that was affecting his mind.\"
Prove it. While you're at it, prove that you don't have a condition cause you to believe stupid and dangerous things, like, say, Christian delusions.
5/28/2007 3:41:32 PM
Christians have VD?
5/28/2007 5:16:16 PM
Actually anon, the German Christians pogroms against the Jews way predate Hitler. During the First Crusade many German Barons refused to go the \"Holy Land\" to kill Muslims, but stuck around in Germany to kill the Jews(\"who afterall, actually killed Jesus\"), then claimed to be Crusaders(after claiming the Jews wealth and sharing between themselves and the church).
5/28/2007 6:05:44 PM
Ah, yes, the VD defense. Fact is, all those who participated in the mass slaughter of the Jews, inluding concentration camp commandants and members of the SS, had VD too.
5/28/2007 7:33:29 PM
Twelve million dead, that's so what.
5/29/2007 5:55:40 AM
5/29/2007 10:30:41 AM
Of course. Every religious leader just had VD.
Not the atheists, though, right? I mean, those promiscuous bastards have VD, but you can't blame that for their actions!
3/12/2011 7:15:30 PM
Brain syphilis. That's a new, and surprisingly apt term for fundamentalism.
3/12/2011 10:41:10 PM
To all those who have brought up some of the Nazi leaders intrest in the occult: Have we not seen the attempts to marry old world religions to Christianity (Dogma)to this day?
Look at the trappings of Christmas and Easter, old beliefs symbolisism that's never been shook off despite Christian condemnation.
Had these leaders dismissed Christianity it would mean something more but I believe the evidence shows they merely believed the old stories were connected to an overall spiritual world, one that could be connected to Christianity. Being that Christianity is a collection of Middle Eastern tales adapted to Roman sensibilities that already had Germanic and Northern influences, presto, a truly hybrid religion.
Why are there Gargoyles, Cherubs and European mythical beasts on cathedrals built specifically for Christianity? Many of our Fundies hold belief in Astrology, Numerology and Tarot cards and think, at worst, the pagan religions could be tied to Satan. Sorry, the Nazis practicing or studying pre-Christian beliefs is not an automatic disconnect from their Christianity.
3/13/2011 6:26:34 AM