[How can sin change animals? They don't even have souls?]
Sure they do but that isn't why they were affected...(they have souls but not spirits)...the weather, and natural disasters don't have souls but were affected too. Of course I realize you aren't a believer...but pretend for a minute...if you were God and created a perfect world for the first people would you honestly put them on a planet that could kill them with hurricanes, tornados, famine, disease and deadly animals and call it 'good'? Probably not. The word 'good' is listed seven times in the first chapter of Genesis. Everything God created He deemed 'good' and good in His terms usually means perfect (would have to show you other scriptures, etc, on that but its late and I need sleep)...
When they sin it wasn't just them affected by sin...everything was. Just watch the news minus man's inhumanity to man and notice just the stories on famines, droughts, natural disasters...how many died a few days ago in those tornados? How many injuried...
moonglow, bibleforums 10 Comments
[3/6/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Yeah, but in Genesis, God also gave all the plants of the earth to be man's food. The fact that the plants would have to die to achieve this notwithstanding, how can a world be \"perfect\" when man and animals have needs to be met (food) that aren't provided by God directly? Wouldn't it be more \"perfect\" for everything to just exist, and not need to eat, drink, breathe, or sleep?
3/8/2007 5:00:04 AM
I think my brain jumped out of my head and went on a rampage after reading the bit distinguishing \"soul\" from \"spirit\"...
3/8/2007 5:28:28 AM
oooh... leaps of faith everywhere!
So, moonglow, you're saying that as far as 'god' is concerned all the things he created were PERFECT?
And yet they're not only imperfect in various physical or mental ways, but also \"capable of sin\"? All in the same religion too?
Doublespeak award of some kind?
3/8/2007 7:12:39 AM
So then why didn't God just fix it and make it the way it was before?
3/8/2007 9:15:00 AM
Yeah, that god's quite a fuck-up. Has he EVER made something that he wasn't ultimately disappointed in? God, you fail.
3/8/2007 9:19:59 AM
Can´t fundies understand that, for a just believer like me, sin is the consequence of human attitude and human behaviour alone?. Phenomena is going to work that way, with or without human people around and regardless the way they act, and animals too. We´re just part of the creation, not the reason why creation works that way and we act adapting to the environment around us, NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.
3/8/2007 10:49:10 AM
No, I wouldn't. And I wouldn't create them in such a way that I would need to punish them. And I wouldn't blame for being exactly the way I intended them to be.
3/11/2007 7:15:08 PM
...and the preacher said, \"Why, you're the most perfect hunchback I've ever seen!\"
3/13/2007 3:17:29 PM
First of all, you don't comprehend the meanings of the words 'soul' or 'spirit.' To differentiate between the two the way you just - and against the teachings of your own religion - did takes heroic amounts of stupid.
Second of all, if everything was made perfect, how could it be flawed?
3/22/2007 1:54:29 PM
waaw, and they call evolution a fairytale
3/22/2007 3:47:15 PM