Your letter contains just about every common fallacy bandied about by x-tians nowadays. Without actually addressing each point individually, I will sum up my response as quickly as possible. You, are a dumb-fuck. The stars are exactly the same as thousands of years ago? How is it not possible for some folks to grasp the fact that some changes occur over vast spans of time? That change and evolution aren't something you can watch like a clock and see almost instant results?
6/19/2006 12:07:04 PM
A more thorough mess of lies, delusions, and disinformation would be difficult to compose. Let me just mention a few inconvenient details for the poster to consider:
* Evolution refers to living things, not nonliving things (such as atoms and stars), unless you mean metaphorically.
* Helium DOES get modified through processes in stars to make heavier elements, which then get modified into heavier elements still.
* Stars explode, leaving nebulae that reform into new stars. Star explosions (novae and supernovae) have been witnessed, and stellar nurseries in nebulae have been observed.
And that's just a few minor points on astronomy that were fouled up here. If anyone cares to address the rest, be my guest; I can't spare quite that much time at the moment.
6/19/2006 2:16:36 PM
Early civilisations are advanced, huh? So, I guess Nordic mythology is better than Christianity, since it came first, thus is more advanced.
2/4/2007 8:33:44 AM
\"The very fact that Helium is immutable, and never evolves into say carbon...\"
Of course we mustn't forget that modern helium with its cars and computers evolved from primitive cave-dwelling hydrogen hunting protons for dinner and huddling around small gluon fires for warmth.
2/4/2007 9:13:02 AM
\"Why do evolutionists only quote athiests, like the people at Talkorigins? This would prove that their bias is spiritual and not scientific.\"
That's a damn lie! I've seen JohnR7 quoted here far more than anyone from TalkOrigins.
2/4/2007 10:14:08 AM
I would be hard pressed to believe this is anything else but trolling.
2/4/2007 12:43:21 PM
Stars do change. They die and new stars are formed. It's happening all the time.
Want to see a transitional form? Take a peek in the mirror. I bet in the far-off future humans will have shed that pesky appendix.
The fact that written world history is about 5000 years old doesn't mean that the earth was created 6000 years ago--it just means that people developed the ability to write at that time.
You know, I really don't know all that much about science but I do have the ability to reason and I'm not afraid to do so. You should try it some time.
6/16/2009 6:56:33 AM
6/14/2010 10:50:43 PM
Non-living things sort of evolve, in that the constructors see what went wrong with the last design and what worked well, and adapt the new versions after those facts.
Living beings evolve to adapt to the changing environment. With enough adaptations over hundreds of thousands of years, the future beings no longer look like their hundred thousand year old ancestors. They will look similar to their two hundred year old ancestors, though.
The stars we see are the stars that were there thousands and thousands of years ago, not the ones that are actually there now. Read up on lightyears, please. Some of the stars we see have been gone for millions of years.
Stars are cosmology, not biology. Evolution is biology, not cosmology.
The stars do change, or rather the Earth's viewpoint change with the seasons. Far from "the same always", in other words.
Every single living being and plant is a transitional form, dumbass.
I have no idea of what laws of thermodynamics means, but hanging around on this site has taught me that the second law concerns a closed environment, which the Earth is not, as we receive energy from the sun. Why can't these dolts get it, too?
World (i.e. more or less recorded) history is at least 12 000 years old, archaeological history is millions of years old, if not billions.
You still have to explain where all the water came from, and where it all went after the flood.
6/15/2010 2:28:01 AM
6/15/2010 4:26:23 AM
The very fact that Helium is immutable, and never evolves into say carbon
What do you mean by "immutable?" There's a few isotopes of helium, which suggests that helium DOES change. And when fused in a star, helium becomes dozens of different compounds and atoms, INCLUDING carbon.
Also, because it needs to be said: EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.
The creation model predicts a static universe, unchanging from its orignal perfect state. Look at the stars. Exactly the same place they were thousands of years ago when we first started looking at the sky.
Which explains why the pyramids at Giza still line up perfectly with the Belt of Orion, right?
Redshift. Learn about it.
6/15/2010 8:10:47 AM
If evolution were true, we'd see stars changing, as per cosmological evolution.
Cosmology =!= Evolution.
And the stars DO change. The stars as we see them now? That's how they looked in the past. When we see them in the future, they'll be entirely different.
The second law of thermodynamics. Evolution has never fully recovered from the challenge of entropy
First off, evolution isn't a closed system. Second, I don't think you even know what entropy means, and you're saying that because it makes you look smart.
Finally, with evolution you would expect to see society and civilization developing slowly over time. Since world history is only about 5000 years old, and since every ancient culture has a flood story similar to the Genesis account, and since early civilizations are very advanced we can conclude that a literal interpretation of Geneisis is correct
That underlined part. Right there. It's why creationism isn't science. You automatically jumped to that conclusion without any evidence whatsoever.
Because if you throw that bullshit out, you'll see that civilization DID evolve. We started hunter-gatherers, moved to agriculture, and then we went through all of the various ages - Iron, Bronze, Stone, Steam, etc.
Finally; Evolution =!= Sociohistorics
Also: Where'd the water go from the flood? That's somewhere in the neighborhood of about 19 quadrillion metric tons - more metric tons than the universe has years in age, or than there are grains of sand on ever beach in the world - where'd it go? Explain that, first. Oh, and your Bibble says absolutely nothing about where it went, so I wouldn't start there. Oh, and another thing - there's a part in Revelation that warns about adding or removing from the Bible. Because your Bible says nothing about where the water from the Flood went, you're damning yourself to hell by trying to explain it. Have fun.
6/15/2010 8:11:29 AM
That...made my head hurt. A few of my brain cells passed around cyanide laced Kool-Aid after I read that. Seriously, that is BEYOND stupid.
6/15/2010 8:14:33 AM
Wait, there are serious creationists?
6/15/2010 8:24:00 AM
if the universe is unchanging, please explain the crab nebula
6/15/2010 8:29:29 AM
...we can conclude that a literal interpretation of Geneisis is correct.
Is there a copy of "Geneisis" available, or is it chiselled in Gneiss somewhere?
6/15/2010 8:30:07 AM
Evolution does occur without problem of entropy because it has nothing to do with it. Entropy in a living system can be described this way : organised food comes in, inorganised shit / piss / heat comes out. And that's all. The fact that younglings look like their parents, and that the fittest has more chances to transmit its genes has nothing to do with it.
I also cannot understand why atoms, stars or constellations would evolve. Evolution is about livingthings reproducing. Why would evolution explain all ? To see atom changing into other atoms, and stars changing, see nuclear physics. To see stars moving, see astronomics.
And at last, when was the last time we send men to the moon, or discovered new ways to cure illness reading Bible ?
How does your creationism explain why bacteria became antibiotics-resistant, or why Peppered moth became darker during the begining of the industrial age in the UK ?
9/15/2011 1:19:13 PM