God has clearly condemned homosexuality as a sexual perversion - its spelled out plainly in the scriptures...
There is nothing genetic or natural about it... It is a volitional choice made by the individual... All this talk of genetics is nothing but Satanic disinformation... Nothing about homosexuality is accpetable... If you accept homosexuality as a legitimate alternate lifestyle, then so also must you accept pedaphilia, necrophilia, and bestiality as legitimate alternatives...
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But all you say is predicated on the veracity of the myths you believe, but as the facts have consistently shown, your myths are just myths. In the face of this, it is irrational to deny the realities of human nature.
It´s not the same, and if it´s not the same, I can make my choices. Second, the Scriptures, the old ones, not Jesus, were very clear too in self-fish and mixed croppings. The day you apply these rules too, we´ll talk. AND THE OTHER OF CHRIST AND FORGIVING OUR SINS.
God has clearly condemned homosexuality as a sexual perversion - its spelled out plainly in the scriptures...
On a scale of 1 to 10, homosexuality is about a 6 in the Bible, with giving your children over to Molech being a 10 (not only do you get stoned, but the whole town gets in trouble with God if they don't stone you). A 9 would be lying to your husband about being a virgin. Not only do you get stoned, but they do it on your father's doorstep to humiliate him for not watching over you more carefully. Other things worse than being gay include sassing your parents, "letting" yourself get raped in the city and screwing your mother-in-law. Homosexuals don't get stoned, and God doesn't actually even instruct the people to punish gays themselves as it does with other offenses - it just says "they shall surely be put to death" - method and executioner unspecified.
Besides, if it´s volitional, why would people choose it to keep it in the closet?, why, if they should be naturally repulsed?, why, in definitive, if they are going to be ostracised and even killed for that?
"All this talk of genetics is nothing but Satanic disinformation"
Quantum mechanics is also satanic misinformation, so stop using the computer.
"If you accept homosexuality as a legitimate alternate lifestyle, then so also must you accept pedaphilia, necrophilia, and bestiality as legitimate alternatives..."
If you accept christianity as a legitimate alternate reality, then you must also accept islam, scientology, roman catholicism, the church of LSD as legitimate alternatives.
I understand the pedaphilia thing, but what's really so bad about necrophilia and beastiality? a corpse might as well be a piece of furniture, and sure, live animals have feelings, but they don't have vocal cords. And it didn't happen if somebody can't say so in court.
"God has clearly condemned homosexuality as a sexual perversion - its spelled out plainly in the scriptures..."
Prove that God exists, then prove that "the scriptures" are his word, then we may have something to talk about.
"There is nothing genetic or natural about it..."
Where can I read your scholarly, well-reseached studies showing that homosexuality has no genetic componant and that homosexuality is not natural?
"It is a volitional choice made by the individual..."
Prove it.
"All this talk of genetics is nothing but Satanic disinformation..."
Prove that Satan exists.
Genetics exists whether you like what it shows or not.
"Nothing about homosexuality is accpetable..."
I support your right not to be a homosexual.
"If you accept homosexuality as a legitimate alternate lifestyle,"
Homosexuality is not a life-style, it is a sexual orientation. Homosexuals, just as heterosexuals, live many different life-styles.
"then so also must you accept pedaphilia, necrophilia, and bestiality as legitimate alternatives..."
I do not have to accept anything other than what I state I accept. I don't accept sex with children, corpses or other species as none of those groups can offer informed consent, however, sex with an informed, consenting adult, any informed, consenting adult, I find perfectly acceptable.
"pedaphilia, necrophilia, and bestiality as legitimate alternatives..."
Because vulnerable kids, dead people, and dogs really can give their consent to sex.
Smart thinking there.
These people are absolutely fixated on homosexuality. Why aren't they out killing people who work on the Sabbath, non-virginal brides, obstreperous children and all those who worship other gods, as they are clearly commanded to do?
Papabear:
'Where can I read your scholarly, well-reseached studies showing that homosexuality has no genetic componant and that homosexuality is not natural?'
Hear, hear! Bravo!
But you forgot 'peer reviewed';-).
'I do not have to accept anything other than what I state I accept. I don't accept sex with children, corpses or other species as none of those groups can offer informed consent, however, sex with an informed, consenting adult, any informed, consenting adult, I find perfectly acceptable'.
Papabear, you just posted the most reasonable, logic and well supported summary of 'teh gay problem'. Why, oh why are fundies obsessed with homosexuality? Why not with lying or marriage after divorce (condemmed by Paul and Jesus)?
Why. . . ?
Two points.
1) a vast majority of homosexual relationships are between two consenting adults. By definition, bestiality is between a person and an animal who does not have the mental capacity to consent. Necrophilia is between a person and a dead person, who once again, does not have the mental capacity to consent (or do much of anything, really). And finally, Pedophilia is between an adult and a child, who guess, again, DOES NOT HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO GIVE CONSENT. See the difference between homosexuality and the other three?
2) Don't act like you think homosexuality is wrong because the bible says so. The bible also tells us to kill non-virginal brides, and to offer a copious burnt sacrifices to god three times a year. When you start following ALL of the commendments, then we'll talk. But till then, shut the fuck up you fucking homophobe.
According to the scriptures, God makes everyone the way they are...
So, that means that God wants them to be Homosexuals and, according to the scriptures, if God wants something a certain way, then that way is HOLY!
Conclusion? As far as God's concerned, Homosexuality is fine and dandy. Says so in the scriptures.
Genetics are Satanic disinformation? That's a new slam against science. I wonder if it will hold up against DNA testing used as evidence in court.
As so many have already pointed out, relations between consensual adults are nobody else's business, while relations with children are prohibited because children cannot give informed consent. It's just not that difficult to understand, so I must conclude that you're a lying sack of shit.
I won't even touch necrophilia and bestiality. You fundies are sick.
If you listened to all of the bullshit from the bible you wouldn't eat or dress the same way you do now, and you'd have given away all of your worldly possessions, including the computer you are using.
God clearly condemns EVERYTHING.
You don't know the meanings or applications of the words you are using. Buy a dictionary and not another bible.
Homosexuality involves an intimate and sexual relationship between two informed and consenting adults of the same gender.
Pedophilia involves the manipulation of a naive person, a child, therefore informed consent is absent.
Necrophilia involves sexual actions with a deceased person, a non-living thing which obviously cannot give informed consent.
Bestiality involves sexual actions with an animal, who obviously is not of the appropriate intelligence level to give sound affirmation to the action.
It is written that Lazarus rose from the dead through a miracle. Too bad he left his brain in the coffin...
Confused?
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