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The geocentric theory explains the grains of space without violating any of the laws of thermodynamics. It takes the grains at face value, presuming them to be real. The medium of the grains is tremendously dense (4x1093 gm/cm3): so dense that one would have to pack 1039 universes into a cube one centimeter on a side in order to match their density. Geocentric theory has identified the grains as making up the firmament of Genesis chapter 1. It is common among Creationists to assume that the firmament was a canopy of water in one form or another; but whether there ever was a canopy before the flood, it cannot be equated with the firmament simply because Genesis 1:17 tells us that God set the stars in the firmament, not above it as would have to be the case if the canopy was meant. Since God called the firmament "Heaven" (Genesis 1:8) it must follow that the firmament is at least the size of the universe.

The firmament goes a long way towards explaining some of the mysteries of modern science. It readily explains why more massive nuclear particles are smaller than less massive ones. In the every-day realm it explains why, in general, mass depends on volume. It explains why very large objects, such as galaxies and clusters of galaxies seem to be as much as 500 times more massive than is indicated by the amount of light they generate. This phenomenon is called "the missing mass." [For a review see Bouw, G. D. 1977. Creation Research Society Quarterly, 14(2):108.]

In addition, the firmamental model readily accounts for such experimental results as the Sagnac effect, the Faraday disk-generator paradox, earth's night-time electric field, and ball lightning. All of these point to geocentricity as serious science.

Gerardus D. Bouw, Ph.D., Why Geocentricity? 67 Comments [12/23/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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#127167
Catherine

This person has a doctorate? Man, they're letting anyone in these days.

12/24/2006 8:17:04 PM

#127376
Coffee

Why Geocentricity? So we can tell the rational people from the deluded idiots. And it works rather well.

12/25/2006 10:09:39 PM

#127536
Mister Spak

Space grains? Can you make bread with it?

12/26/2006 1:13:11 PM

#127992
Redhunter

Hold on, I think I just got something crazy in my eye. Maybe it was a grain of space.

12/27/2006 9:47:26 AM

#194787
Michael

About 3 years ago I dropped into a black hole – four months of absolute terror. I wanted to end my life, but somehow [Holy Spirit], I reached out to a friend who took me to hospital. I had three visits [hospital] in four months – I actually thought I was in hell. I imagine I was going through some sort of metamorphosis [mental, physical & spiritual]. I had been seeing a therapist [1994] on a regular basis, up until this point in time. I actually thought I would be locked away – but the hospital staff was very supportive [I had no control over my process]. I was released from hospital 16th September 1994, but my fear, pain & shame had only subsided a little. I remember this particular morning waking up [home] & my process would start up again [fear, pain, & shame]. No one could help me, not even my therapist [I was terrified]. I asked Jesus Christ to have mercy on me & forgive me my sins. Slowly, all my fear has dissipated & I believe Jesus delivered me from my “psychological prison.” I am a practicing Catholic & the Holy Spirit is my friend & strength; every day since then has been a joy & blessing. I deserve to go to hell for the life I have led, but Jesus through His sacrifice on the cross, delivered me from my inequities. John 3: 8, John 15: 26, are verses I can relate to, organically. He’s a real person who is with me all the time. I have so much joy & peace in my life, today, after a childhood spent in orphanages [England & Australia]. Fear, pain, & shame, are no longer my constant companions. I just wanted to share my experience with you [Luke 8: 16 – 17].

Peace Be With You
Michael

3/29/2007 4:53:12 AM

#194788
anti-nonsense

WTF are you talking about?
How much did you pay to buy that degree?

3/29/2007 4:56:38 AM

#289275
richardT

"Dear Freakshow,

1 PhD? Yeah sure, I bet you were a classmate of Kent Hovid."

Dr. Bouw got his Ph.D. from case western reserve university, he was an atheist at the time. He is well educated.


Man, a lot of the comments here are blatantly silly.

9/17/2007 8:22:37 PM

#295290
Brian X

That. does. not. even. make. sense.

Seriously, give it up. We've actually seen dark matter and it's only a matter of time until we figure out what exactly it is. You are contributing nothing, so stop making yourself look like a fool.

9/26/2007 12:17:08 AM

#295377
apYrs

isn't it fun when fundies talk techie (almost like someone hot talking dirty, but without the stickiness..

9/26/2007 2:23:08 AM

#295465
Beast

this.....cannot....be...real...


there has to be a catch, some blatand display of humour we're missing. There has to be. Otherwise my faith in humanity will be seriously damaged...again

9/26/2007 5:16:40 AM

#295499
Dirac

There are parasites in your brain, right?

9/26/2007 6:19:29 AM

#296452
Frank

We have the fossils telescopes. We win.

9/27/2007 2:52:58 PM

#375172
Robbie

If the grains of space are part of the universe, wouldn't the entire universe condensed to a cubic centimeter also compress the "grains", thus being much, much denser?

1/4/2008 12:42:38 PM

#375276


Since when does mass depend on volume? Go find an infinitely small black hole singularity and see how much that weighs in relation a rock of the same size.

Or better yet, just go fall in it.

1/4/2008 6:31:20 PM

#375435
(H9)

"Serious science" my foot...

1/4/2008 11:55:53 PM

#375500
Miles G

In this case, I am certain that PhD signifies "Piled higher, and Deeper...

1/5/2008 1:46:01 AM

#375537
Jack Bauer

I have never heard such utter nonsense in my entire life.

Where did you get a PhD from, you fraud?

It is obviously not in astrophysics... Do they award higher degrees in 'making up shit' these days? Of course they do, Hovind has one.

4 x 1093 = 4372 - not exactly a very large number. Did you mean 4^1093? Though what that has to do with the density of a universe, I have no idea.

Talking of having no idea - mass only depends on volume given that density remains the same.

Retard.

1/5/2008 3:44:44 AM

#380080
cyborgtroy

WHAT THE FUCK

and also,

THERE IS NO CENTER GET THE HELL OVER IT.

1/13/2008 5:51:34 AM

#479818
Geo

015,
on the contrary. Dr. Gentry (and many others) have shown with red shift doppler the earth is indeed near center of the universe with stars showing red moving away from us.

Hubble acknowledged as much in his book, as did Hawking. They went on to say it would not be taught until it was better understood as it was unacceptible with given uniformitarian model.
Collapse of Big Bang Cosmology and the Emergence of the New Cosmic Center Model of the Universe
www.halos.com/reports/perspectives-2004-collapse-of-big-bang.htm

video:
Center of the Universe
www.halos.com/videos/streaming-video.htm
also on googlevid

4/28/2008 10:17:38 AM

#479827
Geo

WHY?

Why would science be intentionally deceptive?

The Vatican. The Vatican is where these claims all originated, and today still it is the Vatican's Jesuit priest at places like Jesuit Georgetown U. who have final say what goes as science in the textbooks that all the professors will teach.

About 500 years ago all of Europe called the pope the antichrist. This was a huge problem for the pope who was trying to run an empire, and the Glorious Reformation did lead to the collapse of the Holy Roman Empire.

The pope's response to this, as in the past, was inquisition in the form of the Order of the Jesuits. One method employed by the Jesuits to defeat the Reformation is through "education" in undermining the source of the Reformation in the printed Bible. The Jesuits would use every deceptive school of thought possible to discredit the Bible, one of these ideologies was pagan evolution out of Babylon which these Cabalist witches (Jesuits) were familiar.
www.religiouscounterfeits.org/rc_intro.htm
www.resurrectisis.org/PaganEvolution.htm

Evolution is part of the Jesuits counter-reformation. With it they setup dictatorships like Hitler, Stalin et.al, all the back to the French Revolution.
www.lightministries.com/id95.htm

4/28/2008 10:33:52 AM

#479844
Geo

The moon goes around the earth once every 30 days.

The moon is 25o,ooo miles away.

The sun completes it's solar cycle every 12 months.

simple math...

250,000
x12
---------
3,000,000 miles to the sun, yet, textbooks claim 93, million miles?

4/28/2008 11:02:47 AM

#479845
Geo

The best website for the serious student to understand this
http://abafte.blogspot.com
includes a video.)

4/28/2008 11:08:45 AM

#479907
George McFly

"My density brings me here."____________G. McF.

4/28/2008 1:56:24 PM

#915116
coptic christians

Thank you, most honourable doctor, for enlightening us on the nature of the firmament, geocentricity and first and second principles. I pray that God will give you strength to continue in this work for the few of us who draw heavily from your literature. Your efforts are not in vain. Your boldness to investigate things, by which most other creation scientists would not dare openly considered, is truly commendable.

In Jesus Christ our God.

Sincerely Simeon.

2/26/2009 4:47:10 PM

#915136
coptic christians

Thank you, most honourable doctor, for enlightening us on the nature of the firmament, geocentricity and first and second principles. I pray that God will give you strength to continue in this work for the few of us who draw heavily from your literature. Your efforts are not in vain. Your boldness to investigate things, by which most other creation scientists would not dare openly considered, is truly commendable.

In Jesus Christ our God.

Sincerely Simeon.

2/26/2009 5:00:10 PM
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