[Isn't the right to not stand for the Pledge an act of one's right to freedom of "speech" (freedom of expression)?]
:angry: Yes it the right, but it's wrong, I stand for evrything this country is about, you must be one of those Canada people, who instead of protecting and serving our country you decided it was "Your Right " not to be an American. The " Pledge " as you call it, is an oath, and it is every Americans duty to stand when taking an oath of allegiance. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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Actually, I'll give this guy credit for at least acknowledging that the guy has the right to do this. He's immediately blows this, though, because he then turns around and calls it a "duty" to stand when speaking the pledge. Heck, speaking the pledge AT ALL is not a "duty" to ANYONE; it is an optional expression, and it had better remain that way, or saying it (let alone standing while saying it) will become meaningless.
You know, there is some history relevant to this fundie's "Canada" statement. A little-known part of the American Revolution was the Battle of Quebec. Benedict Arnold and Richard Montgomery moved their armies to Quebec City, hoping to garner support from the citizens to rise up with them against the British Army. However, the Quebecois stayed put, and the Americans were forced to retreat.
You know, I've always stood for the pledge, for the anthem, you name it...but blowhards like this are making me consider just sitting the hell down.
Well, by the end of my school (and Boy Scout) days, I was reciting the Pledge of Allegiance by rote and waiting for it to get over with. Is that what "A Proud American" wants? For everyone to detest the Pledge as boring and time-consuming?
I'll admit that under the current administration it's a little harder to be a proud American, but I am one. However, I do not choose to pledge myself to a piece of cloth which can be waved by any insane leader(s), nor to a fictional God.
Oh, so thats what Canada is for, keeping the people who decide not to be American in. Silly me, here I was thinking it was like a whole sovereign nation, but I guess I was wrong, huh?
Like those rude New Zealand people who don't call themselves Australians... to be fair, they have the RIGHT to ignore sheep and win at cricket, but they have DUTY not to
Personally I have not and will not pledge myself to any concept, person or party. Doing so would align myself with their ideals and actions. And what if they do things I do not agree with? I usually have this weird things against breaking my promises so going against them would be against my principles. It's far better to fight for things/people you find worthy of the effort without pledging anything than to be forced to fight a battle you are against just because you once pledged something.
Yes it the right, but it's wrong you must be one of those Canada people, who instead of protecting and serving our country you decided it was "Your Right " not to be an American
Since when do we expect Canadians to protect and serve the U.S.?
Ever since I got old enough to understand the big words in the Pledge of Allegiance, I stopped saying it. I'm not pledging irrevocable allegiance to the "flag", i.e the country itself, whatever it may do. I wouldn't mind pledging allegiance to American ideals, but the implication in the Pledge of Allegiance is that the current administration will always uphold them, which isn't necessarily true.
"Canada people" must refer to people who left the US between 1965-1975 to avoid draft into the Vietnam war. I don't think he means Canadians in general.learn to use your native language clearly and precisely to express complete thoughts . Would it?
Maybe their brains would a'splode.
Personally, I vomit on that kind of things: organized oath-taking is no different from mandatory prayer, indoctrination pure and simple. And the worst part is that if the number of bloodthirsty Murikkan "patriots" is any indication, it's effective...
Sure, okay. But since the objector is deliberately -not- taking an oath of allegiance, they don't have to stand.
I believe the Canadians comprised lots of colonists of teh north American continent who chose not to revolt against their lawful king. It's also the case that tHe Canadians were into both WWs before the United States (I know there were political reasons!), and have acted as UN peacekeepers across the globe.
SO don't talk shit about the courage of Canadians, and do inform us when you served
"those Canada people, who instead of protecting and serving our country you decided it was "Your Right " not to be an American"
You know what really irks me? It's those America people who decided it was their "right" not to be British subjects.
Sheesh... the audacity!! ;)
...you must be one of those Canada people, who instead of protecting and serving our country you decided it was "Your Right " not to be an American.
Okay, FINE! I'll send out the Saskatchewan gopher hunter squad. Just make sure you have a couple pickups at the airport for them, okay?
And...ah...we have the right to not serve and protect America, because...brace yourself, because this may come as a shock...WE'RE NOT AMERICANS! And care to talk about the Canadians being sent home from Afghanistan in caskets because of YOUR trigger happy yahoos?
With all that hockey hullabaloo, and that bitch Ann Murray, too... they're not even a real country anyway!
"You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." - Abbie Hoffman
There are tons of reasons I won't stand for the pledge.
-Lack of homosexual rights.
When America really is "home of the free" I'll stand for the pledge.
I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. All you need to say is simply Yes’ or No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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