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#98038
quantumspirit
Treaty of Tripoli, bitch!
10/29/2006 11:16:14 AM
#98043
TM
Nevermind that the United States was created for the purpose of personal freedoms and all that silliness.
How does someone born in the U.S. choose to live here? Seems like it wasn't much of a conscious choice.
10/29/2006 11:31:25 AM
#98056
CT
\"It should be self-evident to any Christian what a Christian is supposed to believe and how a Christian is supposed to live.\"
Uh-huh...
How about you answer the fucking question now?
10/29/2006 12:00:06 PM
#98068
anevilmeme
\"Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religous Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
- Article VI of the US Constitution
10/29/2006 12:17:01 PM
#98085
NotMe
Why do they always want to force people to live like they do? Don't they know that doing just that is the easiest way to spawn more terrorists? I know that there will be a lot of unrest and general riots if everyone was forced to be christian tomorrow (or at least when they start enforcing that law). All non christians and the \"false\" christians will unite against the 5% of the nation who have the \"right\" way of living. Plus that police officers and soldiers will never enforce this. They are far to busy demonstrating against the breach of their private life.
And damn, he dodged that question faster than Neo dodged bullets in The Matrix, but his style is lacking unfortunatly.
10/29/2006 12:47:51 PM
#98103
Hadanelith
It's been said, but it bears repeating:
Treaty of Tripoli, bitch!
10/29/2006 1:48:02 PM
#98109
Amos
Supposedly even God wouldn't force humanity to follow him.* Free will; all that. Who the hell are you to do what God wouldn't?
*I know you can easily argue otherwise, but that's how the story is normally read.
10/29/2006 1:57:23 PM
#98135
quantumspirit
Amos, I've heard a radio preacher use the conversion of Saul as an argument against the existence of free will.
10/29/2006 2:46:46 PM
#98140
Rysith
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
That's why we shouldn't do the same thing in America. Well, that and the Treaty of Tripoli, and that if you wanted to impose the religious beliefs of the founders on everyone, everyone would be living as a combination of atheists, deists, and various sects of Christanity. I very much doubt that we would all be living according to your interpretation of Christianity.
10/29/2006 3:04:41 PM
#98151
WritingIsMyReligion
Gave away Treaty of Tripoli too soon, I guess.
10/29/2006 3:13:59 PM
#98153
The Watcher
but it still does not relieve you of the responsibility of living like a Christian if you are going to CHOOSE to live in a Christian society.\"
Well, when I find a Christian Society, and choose to live in it, I'll start abiding by your rules.
10/29/2006 3:16:38 PM
#98159
Papabear
\"In Saudi Arabia and Iran, everybody is required to live as a Muslim. I see no reason why we shouldn't do the same thing in America,\"
So, nothing is wrong with forcing a theology on people based on geographic location?
\"which is a Christian nation established by Christians, for Christians.\"
No, America is NOT a Christian nation, and many of the founding fathers were NOT Christians. For Christians? What about that pledge to the flag we were forced to say which included \"liberty and justice for all?\"
\"As a Christian nation, we can (and should) require everybody to live as a Christian -- or at least offer a higher class of citizenship to Christians.\"
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others?
\"People who do not want to abide by established Christian beliefs and norms are free to live elsewhere.\"
I was born here. This is MY country too, dipshit. How about all you hard-line, thought-impaired Christians go live somewhere else? That sounds good to me.
\"It should be self-evident to any Christian what a Christian is supposed to believe and how a Christian is supposed to live.\"
That's the problem with religion, it tells you what to think and how to live, no self-examination is necessary.
\"As an atheist, you would not know this -- but it still does not relieve you of the responsibility of living like a Christian if you are going to CHOOSE to live in a Christian society\"
As an atheist, I certainly do not accept that. The word \"know\" implies that it is a fact, which it is not.
As a member of this secular society, I have a responsibility to behave in a way which does not infringe upon the rights of others and YOU have that responsibility too. I have no responsibility to your god or your scriptures or your notion of morality.
10/29/2006 3:21:12 PM
#98168
Star Cluster
\"It should be self-evident to any Christian what a Christian is supposed to believe and how a Christian is supposed to live.\"
Yeah, I guess that's why there are thousands of different Christian denominations and sects, because it is so apparent as to what Christians are supposed to believe and how they are supposed to live. You people can't even agree amongst yourselves what to believe, I'm sure not going to trust you to tell me how to live.
10/29/2006 3:27:48 PM
#98179
D Laurier
Except that in Iran and Saudi Arabia there are non-muslim minoritys who are clearly NOT required to live as muslims,
The Nestorian sect of the christian cult is found only in Iran and Iraq, It dates back to the 3rd century CE, and Nestorians are legaly protected in Iran,
but sadly, no longer in Iraq.
So your strawman example is refuted,
10/29/2006 3:35:50 PM
#98210
Matilde
So, Mohammed Ali and his daughter or Richard Guere, what are they suppose to do?, and why do you think then contemptously superior to Moslems?. And what is Christian anyway?, Jefferson doesn´t sound like one.
10/29/2006 4:37:10 PM
#98213
Dante's Virgil
Star Cluster beat me to it. If it's so self-evident, somebody needs to go tell all those other sects.
10/29/2006 4:39:49 PM
#98230
Barbarian
Amazing: this guy would have forced the majority of the Founding Fathers into exile.
10/29/2006 4:58:40 PM
#98238
Tiny Bulcher
There are in Iran quite large numbers of Christians, Zoroastrians, and Bah'ai, and none of them are forced to be Muslim. So thrrrp.
10/29/2006 5:04:59 PM
#98245
g-21-lto
How many people like this guy vote in America?
I'm going to go bemoan our future for a while. Back later.
10/29/2006 5:09:18 PM
#98296
solomongrundy
In Saudi Arabia and Iran, everybody is required to live as a Muslim.
So the thirty thousand US citizens living in Saudi Arabia all pray towards Mecca five times a day?
10/29/2006 6:53:19 PM
#98309
David D.G.
Well, dang. We've given out the Treaty of Tripoli Award and the Alternate Bizarro Universe Award. This piece really deserves one, but what's left that's appropriate? Post of the Week/Month, maybe? History Revisionist Award? Or maybe borrow from that comment of Papabear's and go with a \"Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others\" Award?
~David D.G.
10/29/2006 7:12:35 PM
#98324
Crosis
America, which is a Christian nation established by Christians, for Christians.
I see I've already been beaten to this, but it bears repeating:
Treaty of Tripoli, bitch.
10/29/2006 7:53:48 PM
#98332
ssdexecutor
In order to be a citizen of Saudi Arabia or Iran, one must be a Muslim. There are many immigrant workers living there who are not Muslim. On the other hand, non-Muslims in those countries are constantly proselytized to and generally harrassed by the \"religious police\" who prohibit the practice or display of non-Muslim religion in public.
10/29/2006 8:29:41 PM
#98340
Adrian
When will these fuckwits stop to confuse the founding fathers with the Puritans....?
10/29/2006 8:58:45 PM
#98346
John
Q: How do you decide which kind of Christian is the \"right\" one?]
A: It should be self-evident to any Christian what a Christian is supposed to believe and how a Christian is supposed to live.
Notice how he avoids actually answering the question ...
10/29/2006 9:26:25 PM
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