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A US judge has found that two girls, aged 13 and 14, were partly to blame in a sex abuse case involving a 67-year-old man - and reduced his sentence.

County District Judge Michael Gibbens said "the victims in this case, in particular, were more an aggressor than a participant in the criminal conduct".

He reduced the sentence of Raymond Soden, who was convicted last year.

Prosecutors are considering an appeal. A child rights group said the girls were the victims, not the aggressors.

Soden was sentenced to five years and 10 months in prison, less than the minimum of 13 years called for by Kansas sentencing guidelines.

The judge said the girls went to Soden's house voluntarily and had taken money for sexual favours.

"They were certainly selling things monetarily that it's against the law for even an adult to sell."

Michael Gibbens, BBC 6 Comments [2/5/2019 12:58:34 PM]
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Submitted By: Doubting Thomas

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Yeah, I saw this story the other day. What the hell is wrong with this judge, and how has he managed to avoid being drummed out of the judge's service? And what the hell, Kansas?

2/5/2019 2:35:08 PM

K'Zad Bhat

Okay, granted a couple young girls who don't fully comprehend the consequences of their actions were attempting to be hookers, and they succeeded.

But, uh, here's the thing, and the law in most places agrees with me. Just because a 13 year old girl exposes her pussy and says it's $200 a pop, does not mean you have to pay, nor do you have to accept the services. You can tell that little girl to go home and leave you alone, and this is what the law expects.

Yes, the girls need to be confronted about their actions, and really need a good bit of counseling, especially since it leaves the question, unasked by Judge Gibbens, of where they might have gotten the idea, and if a pimp might be involved somewhere along the way. And if the pimp might be related to the girls. But even at this, they need counseling and an investigation into their relationships, not to have the man who accepted their services get a reduced sentence just because they asked.

2/6/2019 1:01:12 AM


"Prosecutors are considering an appeal. A child rights group said the girls were the victims, not the aggressors."

EITHER WAY, the minimum sentence was for HIS actions in response to the situation. Unless his name is Lot and the two girls got him drunk, their behavior is not a defense for his dumb ass....

2/6/2019 5:56:02 AM

Doubting Thomas

Doesn't matter if they were willing or not... they're under the legal age of consent (16 in Kansas) and therefore what he did was illegal and wrong. We shouldn't be letting sexual predators use the David J. Stewart defense.

And FFS... if they were prostituting themselves, they're obviously the victims of either sexual abuse or human trafficking. You don't blame them for a pedo taking advantage of the situation.


And what the hell, Kansas?

We're really trying hard to not be like Mississippi, I promise. But there are way too many conservatives here and some of them get put on the bench.

2/6/2019 7:45:49 AM


@doubtingthomas where do you live? I grew up in Eudora. I'm in St. Jo Mo now.

Kansas might only be a couple of steps above MO, which is only a couple of steps above MS and OK, but this asshole judge does not represent our views. I hope he gets booted out in the next election.

2/6/2019 11:25:04 AM


Of course it's in Kansas. Westboro Church wasn't enough?!

2/6/2019 12:51:52 PM

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