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real problem? And I mean a real psychological/ medical problem, not a moral one. Your morals are yours, and you can keep them at home.

Additional related questions:

1) Two 15 year olds are dating and having sex. They are both below the AOC (age of consent). Are they raping, hurting, traumatizing eachother?

2) A 15 year old and and 20 year old are dating and having sex. The 15 year old is below the AOC and the 20 year old over. Is the 20 year old raping, traumatizing, or hurting the 15 year old? Aside from the law and some people just not liking it, how is this automatically different from 1?

3) An eleven year old has entered and passed puberty. It happens. He or she wants to start having sex. How old of a partner can he or she choose without being raped, traumatized or hurt as a matter of course? Or, is it just impossible for an eleven year old to have sex with anyone without it being rape, trauma and anguish? Is that anything to compare to the trauma and anguish of not being able to have sex despite desiring it both physiologically and mentally?

I ask these because I find all these sex laws based on nothing but age to be completely and utterly preposterous. There is nothing in science or nature to clearly correlate age and sex to be connected to mental trauma or distress.

The AOC was not updated on those grounds. The AOC was orginally formulated to protect girls (not boys) from getting into something they did not understand. The age was set at 6. I kid you not. It was updated in order to protect the purity and value to potential suitors of girls and women (and also morality), which is why the marriage age and the age of consent are often different. It went from 6 to 10, then to 14, then to 16, and in some places now 18. And this trauma idea is not sound and its not the reason. Or prove me wrong and explain how it relates and how the updates came to be. Make my day




Overall I would say someone in their 20s or older should almost never be with someone under 20. It mostly comes down to when the individual develops that sense of handling adult situations but seeing as that would be different with everyone why take the risk of intensely damaging someone's psyche. That number isn't specific really, just a generalization. I don't think it's wrong for a 21 year old to date a 19 year old. That's just dumb.

Such strong opinions. So little to back it up.

Can you name one person who got a damaged psyche from dating? You know, where the reason for the damaged psyche was because one was 21 and if he or she were 19 instead, there would be no damaged psyche?


Mostly the people I know who got a damaged psyche from an age disparate relationship was the older one, as he or she was made to go knock on doors and announce "Hi! I am a pedophile!" and is not allowed to take his own kids to the park anymore. Not to mention the jail time.

Oh, but lets not forget about the younger ones who had to submit to a rape exam so the law could make a case against the man she loves.

God but I hope you don't think I am joking. 20/20 did a special on Frank and Nikki Rodriguez. If you have never seen it, you should watch it. Its enough to make you want to throw up what they did to these people. The only damaged psyches were caused by her parents and the police and courts. The Age of Consent: When Young Love Is a Sex Crime - ABC News

Their case is not unique by a long shot. And its all because distant, disconnected big shots in legislature made some numbers law that some sex negative wankers pulled out of a hat and lobbied them for.

If you use your senses though it's usually obvious what's acceptable and what isn't and if you're not sure than the answer is no.


In other words, give up. Bow down. Throw your love away because some wankers in the world want their power trip over you.

Most people's senses tell them what is acceptable is what the biggest, noisest puritan A-hole in the room will tolerate. I reject that idea totally. We should never let go of love and mutual sexual satisfaction for such poor reasons. We should never submit to "moral" bigotry.

The first rule should be to cause no harm. The second rule should be to leave them better than you found them.

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GaijinGolfer said:
Part of the problem you have when youre younger is that you cant comprehend the consequences of your actions.


Right. Adults never get STDs, accidental pregnancies or find themselves trapped in abusive relationships. I think you are applying a pretty big double standard. I think teens especially are smarter than you think, or would be if not for being stunted by society driving this wedge between them and the rest of the world.

Your hormones are raging and all you can think is how you want to have sex, how everyone else is doing it and how doing so will make you an adult.

In my case, when I was 15, I declined to have sex with a woman because I did not have a condom and I was concerned about her history. She was about 25.

When I was 19, I got drunk at a frat party and went home with a girl I just met and had unprotected sex because she said she was on the pill.

I got dumber in four years didn't I? I made a bad decision because of TIME. TIME is what made me frustrated. I would never have been that dumb if not for years of waiting. After four years my next chance finally came, and I was not about to let it slide.


You cant comprehend the issues that arise with STDs, your reputation, the complexity that sex brings into a relationship and the risks of pregnancy.

Yes you can, just as well as any virgin of any age. By what miracle would you expect a 20 year old with no sexual experience to understand those things better than a 14 year old who has been educated and has experience?


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Kanna

We (I refer, of course, to the civilized fraction of society) think that sex between a teenaged girl and an older man has a lot more against it than a "damaged psyche". We try to protect our daughters from physical and emotional coercion. We want them to have a chance to grow up before they have babies to care for, and we want them to have a chance at an education. Y'see, children bearing children generally means decreased opportunities in life for both of them. And while you may be looking for the next young thing, they are likely to be sentenced to lose eighteen years and nine months dealing with the results, and that affects their entire lives.

The result is the same if they are both teenagers, but if the boy is immature and stupid, we give him a pass for that reason. I'm not sure that we should, but nevertheless that immaturity excuse won't work if you're an adult.

7/13/2018 7:33:14 AM

Malingspann

Mark of Zorro: "The age of anyone younger than ME is just a number!!"

7/13/2018 9:11:09 AM

Quasirodent

That's not how this works... that's not how any of this works!

7/13/2018 9:31:23 PM

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