Tim Matter:
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You can bake cakes, you can work as florists, you can serve in government, you can work in classrooms. Just obey the god damn law as well.
Discriminating against certain groups IS NOT A CHRISTIAN ARTICLE OF FAITH!
You can worship as you please! You can join any church you wish! You can read your Bible and pray freely! You can borrow and read the Bible in Public School as well as pray quietly (on your own or a group of like-minded individuals) there!
You idiots act like denying business to people you find icky is an important part of Christian Faith, Practice and The Apostle's/Nicene Creeds!
WILL YOU SHUT UP ABOUT "NOT SERVING GAY PEOPLE = DENIED THE RIGHT TO WORSHIP"?! IT'S STUPID!
Examine your faith, or to be more specific, examine your own particular flavor of your own particular cult of your faith. Does your faith require you to discriminate against others? Does it require you to hate others? Then the rest of society appears to your eyes to be taking away your "rights", but what they are really doing is protecting the rights of the people you hate. There is NO "right to take rights away from others". There is NO "freedom of speech as long as you're a Christian".
If your faith makes you hateful, then you will just have to live with the fact that others do not want you around and do not want you in a business that serves the public. You will therefore be suffering for your faith. I think that's supposed to be all right with Jesus...but you seem to be defending your "right" to make OTHER PEOPLE suffer for your faith. Nope, it doesn't work that way!
To be fair though, Guest Verified is notorious for inflammatory and goading posts. He is basically a fundie troll, trolling for the hard right. I can honestly never tell if he believes his own drivel, at least to the extent he comes across, or if he’s just trying to provoke people to anger so they get banned.
Spot the difference:
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Because religion-wise - as both these countries are the only ones that are mainly Shia Islam, are concerned - there are none.
Sin is geographical
-Bertrand Russell
Queen Rania of Jordan doesn't wear the Hijab . You aren't allowed to practice Christianity in Saudi Arabia: or any religion other than Wahhabi Islam. Yet, homosexuality is punishable by death in that country.
What's happening to the likes of Kim Il-Davis in the US is the least of your problems: if the likes of her: and you, have the right to call them such.
Do you support Sharia law, OP...?! [/$64 trillion question]
You want all rights taken away from Christians and all rights given to haters and persecutors. You want it wiped out. Christians can't bake cakes, can't work as florists, can't serve in government, can't live their faith in the work place or classroom.
The dishonesty in the OP differs from more conventional lies told for personal gain or for self-preservation.
Fabrications of this kind a popular one is how Christians can't pray in schools are often generated by cynics who deliberately develope provocative Twitter-length statements, devoid of context or detail, as memetic devices aimed at bypassing reason to influence the perceptions of a target group with raw emotion.
These lies can be subtle, like the incorrect belief underlying the OP itself; that rights are a finite resource and so recognising the rights of some people means stripping them from others.
The other lies in the OP are by no means subtle. To actually believe them, a person must suspend disbelief and embrace credulity; must be poorly educated on the structure of a logical fallacy; must have a limited capacity for research or an ingrained fear of looking at data from the opposition (e.g., such as Scientologists who genuinely fear looking up information on Xenu).
[...]to stop praying three times a day?
Actually, it's five times a day...
And guess what? In france we actually force muslim girls to remove their hijabs before entering the school.
Yes, I'd like a nice slice of lemon cake. Oh, and a bunch of sunflowers. You do sell them at your church fete, don't you?
See, nobody is taking away your rights to do any of that, or work in the public service, if you can stand it. Nobody is taking away your rights to be Christians, but this isn't the Dark Ages, in this century you don't have the right to BE haters and persecutors.
I had a conversation going with him on this myself. The thing he brought up, I guess as an example of discrimination against Christians, was that YouTube is apparently demonetizing Christian videos. Now, that's just not even comparable to something like what the bakery did.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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