Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments. You can't change history, but you can learn from it. Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson - who's next, Washington, Jefferson? So foolish! Also the beauty that is being taken out of our cities, towns and parks will be greatly missed and never able to be comparably replaced!
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Could somebody explain to the orange moron in the White House that the guys in the South during the Civil War were in favour of slavery and that, as such, they have lost all right to be honoured?
I know Clinton was not quite the ideal candidate, but bloody Hel, it was a damn sight better than this incarnation of the American id. But of course voters had to treat the election like they treat a football turnament. "Oh welp, my candidate did not qualify, screw this, I'm not voting". This is not a bloody game! Bad enough that you are wrecking the USA (actually, this might be the silver lining, at least the USA are too busy to interfere in the EU right now, so, thanks for that, guys...), but they are wrecking the planet at the same time. Way to go!
I remember the 1950s and 1960s when Jim Crow reigned in the South and anyone who wasn't conservative white Protestant Christian was unwanted. If you weren't the right color and the right religion and got "uppity" your life was literally in danger.
Back then it was the Democratic Party, at least in the South, that played to the racist. Now it's the Republican Party. There was literally fighting in the streets back then and not only in the South. But at least the men in the White House, Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson, were men of integrity. Of course Nixon was a whole 'nother ball game but by the time he became president most of the civil rights unrest was over and replaced by the Vietnam War scuffles.
Like Lincoln said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand..." Putin must be laughing himself silly.
not trying to defend the confederacy or anything but no matter how you feel, the statue should not have been torn down without the legal authority to do so.
I'm pretty sure General Grant had slaves too and he fought for the "right" side. plus, wile the Civil War was about slavery it wasn't JUST about slavery because no war in history was fought for just one reason.
and I'm also sure not every single solitary person in the Confederacy owned slaves. plus, by the time the Civil War started, slavery was almost dead anyway.
@2087062
Ok first of: You are wrong about several things regarding the Civil War. The confederate leaders themselves directly stated multiple times that it WAS about upholding slavery and crushing the north (and they started the war too). Many statues of confederate leaders were put up during times in which racism was favored in the south, like the 1950s. I'm not fully in favor of just destroying statues (put them in museums and the correct historical context), but they definitely shouldn't be uphold. We shouldn't revere these people. And while yes, many of the founding fathers had slaves too, this has nothing to do with the Civil War. Times and minds change and the confederates refused to change when it became clear that slavery was not acceptable any longer. Also no matter the history, Donald is just flat out wrong by trying to equate racism, muder and white supremacy ideology to destroying a few statues. No one is trying to deny history here (except the fascists of course), but pulling down a statue while ugly is not something immoral in this context (we Germans didn't uphold nazi statues either).
I know the civil war was about slavery but I was saying it wasn't JUST about slavery as again, no war in history was fought over just one thing for either side.
and at that point, only rich people had slaves, the vast majority of the confederate army were not fighting for slavery because they had no stake in that cause.
Gee, I wonder why a certain statue isn't being removed right now: or ever will be?
Within a memorial not a million miles away from the White House.
That statue? Of Abraham Lincoln.
A Republican .
Thank you for proving that you know less than fuck all about your own country's history and culture.
It's not the first time you've proved that you know nothing about such.
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Then tell me, what other motivations did the confederates have for seceding? They themselves said that it was all about remaining independent so that the lucrative slavery could be uphold. Enlighten me on what the other causes were.
Also: Doesn't matter that most southerners had no stakes in this war, that's true for many soldiers in many wars, yet they still fight because they are either getting paid, are forced to do so, believe the propaganda of their leaders or fight for a cause (in this case slavery. It was economically important for the south at that time (or at least that's what they claimed), don't forget that).
#ChrisBP747. fair points, I am just saying that far to often, arguments against things like the statue tend to rely on this black and white picture of the civil war were everyone involved was either an angelic abolitionist or a mustache twirling Confederate Klansman.
Donald, there's only one president Americans want to erased from history and forget ever happened, and you see his rawhide Halloween mask of a face every time you look in that hand vanity you no doubt carry in your pocket so you can gaze lovingly into your own eyes.
wile the Civil War was about slavery it wasn't JUST about slavery because no war in history was fought for just one reason.
Somebody should have told the states that seceded to the Confederacy. According to their declarations of secession, it was all about slavery. And just to hammer in that point, the Constitution of the Confederate States of America was the US Constitution, with one single addition. A declaration that the black race was NEVER to be free under any circumstance, with heavy crimes for freeing and helping freed slaves...
BTW, that last one they were demanding of the union before they seceded, and were getting court help for it.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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